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TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Monday that a “tragic mistake” was made in an Israeli strike in the southern Gaza city of Rafah that set fire to a camp housing displaced Palestinians and, according to local officials, killed at least 45 people.
The strike only added to the surging international criticism Israel has faced over its war with Hamas, with even its closest allies expressing outrage at civilian deaths. Israel insists it adheres to international law even as it faces scrutiny in the world’s top courts, one of which last week demanded that it halt the offensive in Rafah.
“Despite our utmost efforts not to harm innocent civilians, last night there was a tragic mistake,” Netanyahu said Monday in an address to Israel’s parliament. “We are investigating the incident and will obtain a conclusion because this is our policy.”
Mohammed Abuassa, who rushed to the scene in the northwestern neighborhood of Tel al-Sultan, said rescuers “pulled out people who were in an unbearable state.”
“We pulled out children who were in pieces. We pulled out young and elderly people. The fire in the camp was unreal,” he said.
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“Despite our utmost efforts not to harm innocent civilians,
last night there was a tragic mistake,”we bombed a densely populated refugee camp which we previously designated as a safe zone and burned women and children alive - Netanyahu said Monday in an address to Israel’s parliament.…again.
Honestly, shit happens during the war. Yes, the mistakes should be investigated, guilty punished etc., but it is a big picture which is important, not a few incidents that are easy to use for propaganda and internet points.
In my mind there are 3 questions that needs to be answered
- is war justified?
- what is civilian to military kill ratio (basically to see if civilians are killed without care)
- what are the goals of the war, what are post war plans
For the first question, I do not know how anyone with straight face can say that the war is not justified when a neighbor attacks you and purposely and barbarously kills 1300 people and takes about 200 hostages.
For the second quested, it is urban warfare, and if anyone cares to check, the ratio of 10 to 1 (civilian to military) is quite typical. In this war, Israel achieves ratio of better than 2 to 1, which says to me that IDF is really careful not to kill civilians unnecessarily.
It is the question (3) where I have problem with right now. Mostly because it is right wing government in Israel and there is no clear out of war path suggested after Hamas is destroyed. But here we can wait and see. Israel is a democracy and I hope her people will make right decision.
is war justified? what is civilian to military kill ratio (basically to see if civilians are killed without care) what are the goals of the war, what are post war plansFor the first question, I do not know how anyone with straight face can say that the war is not justified when a neighbor attacks you and purposely and barbarously kills 1300 people and takes about 200 hostages.
For those of us with calendars that go back past October 7th the question about justification is a lot more complicated. Don’t forget that Israel has killed more than 10x as many women and children than were killed on October 7th, and have destroyed medical support and denied food and housing to the CIVILIAN population of Gaza as retribution. Also, Israel continues to colonize Palestine violently both as the government and as settler groups supported by the Israeli government.
If you want to talk retribution, guess what led to October 7th? Both sides are doing horrible shit, but one side has enough power to stop the current ongoing atrocity against the other side’s civilian population and that side it Israel. If they stopped attacking civilians in the ‘safe zones’ and actually let aid and food then I might have some sympathy for them.
For the second quested, it is urban warfare, and if anyone cares to check, the ratio of 10 to 1 (civilian to military) is quite typical. In this war, Israel achieves ratio of better than 2 to 1, which says to me that IDF is really careful not to kill civilians unnecessarily.
Yeah, so careful they murdered a Reuters journalist across the border in Lebanon with a tank.
And over 100 journalists since October…
Believing Israel’s enemy combatant assessment is. Well. It pretty much speaks for itself.
For total number of casualties I take Hamas number. For militant casualties, Hamas does not give any number, so, I have to use Israeli number as the most reliable. By the way, Israeli number for civilian casualties is also not so far from Hamas.
You are full of shit.
Stop spreading your zionist propaganda
The “war” is a genocide and not justified
There is 10:1 or more Civillians killed per combatant. 2/3 of the victims are women and childen
This is not typical or good. Even the Nazis had a better ratio at the Eastern Front and they burned down villages and did mass executions of the survivors. But well Israel does too, but before they also bomb everything to crumbs and then burn down the crumbs.
That’s false. Only half are women and children wiki. Your 10:1 ratio is taken out of your behind, but even that ratio is typical urban warfare ratio. Just Google.
Reminder that they tuned Lavender to a ratio of 20 civilian per vaguely suspected hamas member at the beginning of the war, when most deaths occurred. They put the cursor on genocide. You’re a joke with your 2:1 allegations
Have some shame
Yes, and with 14,000 militant killed, the civilian number is 35K - 14K = 21K. Civilian to militant casualties is 21:14, or smaller than 2:1. That’s all.
Israel is a democracy - a democracy that keeps millions of its constituents in an open air prison and occasionally genocides them, but a democracy, and therefore righteous and good.
I’m glad we cleared that up.
“Whoopsie, my bad. Shit happens, right? Hahaha, hilarious. Anyways, we need some more weaponry to throw at civilians, got some?”
Biden: This isn’t a genocide, so sure
Disclaimer: Voting Biden because Trump will expand the genocide to vulnerable groups here and usher in christian nationalism.
Biden is actually against weapon shipments now, but congress controls that, not him.
Biden recently stated that israel is not commiting Genocide and denied their war crimes.
If Biden was against weapons shipments he should invoke Leahy law as he is required to do.
May Biden rot in jail.
Executive Power
Congress sitting on their ass and not utilizing the Leahy law which would curb the above.
Aside from large weapon sales and national budget plans, Biden gets exclusive power to approve or deny weapon shipments and sales below $100 million and $20 million for high tech.
The recent weapon sale was over $100m, iirc.
Anyways, we need some more weaponry to throw at civilians,
got some?gimme”Ftfy
Anyways, we need some more weaponry to throw at civilians,
got some?gimme”Anyways, we need some more weaponry to throw at civilians,
got some?gimme, you antisemite!”Ftfy
Snap! I actually and literally lol I’d. Laughing to keep from crying? It’s all so absurd!
Israel making an awful lot of “mistakes” lately…
It only becomes a mistake when legacy media fail to cover it up and report on it instead.
The whole war is a civilian meat grinder. How are they possibly saying oops we made this one mistake?
The “tragic mistake” in his head is that he couldn’t kill more. Because he is a sociopath. Fuck Bibi.
In the dialect of Arabic spoken in my country, Morocco, the term “bibi” means turkey, the animal.
So yeah, Benjamin Netanyahu is a turkey. And I’m telling the Israeli people to do the same thing the Dutch did: eat their prime minister.
Sure and the holocaust was just a big oopsie!
30k+ mistake. Yeah right. The slaughter continues. This was not the first and it won’t be the last
Surely he is indeed a tragic mistake
…that the Israeli people somehow keep making over and over again.
He’s right. Selling him the weapons to do it was a tragic mistake.
USS Liberty was also a mistake they said… That’s how we got into this shit in the first place.
It was a mistake. The mistake was the US not cutting all ties with Israel immediately.
It was a total coincidence that it happened right after Hamas fired rockets at Tel-Aviv for the first time in months. \s
Yeah that’s the problem with stooping to exchange low blows with a terrorist group: you become a terrorist group. With nukes.
How many more dead will it take to sedate Israels blood lust.
All of them. It’s a genocide.
He wanted them to starve instead so they won’t count as “war victims” according to the established rules.
Now they officially count as civil victims of the war, which will be a key variable for the ICC.
“sorry you saw me killing more kids”
“look what you made me do”
Funny, when it first happened they had officials saying this was because rockets were fired at Tel Aviv from Gaza.
It’s pretty clear that the people in Gaza are being collectively punished for Hamas attacks. Shoot rockets at us, we’ll shoot our rockets at people living in tents in your territory. That will teach you.
