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    Inb4 centrists “that’s unfairly reductive! That’s not what we’re saying!”

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        Nah, hate the right the most, but don’t let people try to invalidate your right to feel frustrated with status quo sluggishness

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        “I’m a centrist, all my beliefs just so happen to coincide with one side and it ain’t yours”

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          Yeah, I don’t often see the centrists chiming to hear from the liberal side.

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          Normally I’m super liberal! Go ahead and check my comment history, that way you can waste your time and argue semantics with me. I vote Democrat consistently and strongly support my senator, Nancy Pelosi. But on this one specific issue that we’re coincidentally talking about right now, you have to admit the far right at least have a point - anyone who passed a college economics class should know that. So anyhow, that’s why children should be allowed to work in coal mines again.

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        I hate the fascists the most followed closely by their enablers. It’s nitpicking, but the centrists can be easily manipulated into choosing the middle ground between Democrats and Progressives, so it makes them somewhat useful if you can swing things a bit.

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    People can disagree on policy - on values, though? On values, someone who disagrees with me can fuck right off. Human rights and democracy, please.

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      I’m done with democracy and propose a new form of government:

      Once a month, there’s a giant parade and everyone who has an idea gets to put together their own float/performance; best entries get governmental positions based on ranking. Anytime there’s a disagreement, each team will debate by presenting their argument while completing challenges from '90s-'00s Nickelodeon game show challenges; chatGPT will rate which argument is the most cohesive and assign percentages and then the time differences will be added to each team to determine final scores.

      Finally, if anyone is caught cheating or trying to create fascism, their entire parade team gets eaten alive by all of the other parade teams. Only people willing to eat others alive or get eaten alive are allowed to be politicians.

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        It used to be that every group in New New York wanted their own parade. Why, when I was a boy, we had a parade every day. Those were dark times.

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        Only people willing to eat others alive or get eaten alive are allowed to be politicians.

        Wait, is that ‘or’ or ‘and’ get eaten alive? Like, what if I’m willing to be eaten alive, but I want my other teammates to do all the people-eating for me?

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        Would I be allowed in the parade if I wasn’t a politician?

        If so, then I agree with your idea.

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      And this is why speciesism is a root cause of so much human-on-human oppression. People unquestionably accept the premise that it’s ok to exploit/murder/etc non-human sentient beings, so dehumanizing certain groups is incredibly effective at getting people to be ok with abusing them. If we rejected non-human abuse as well, there would be no incentive to dehumanize each other

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        I mean, you sort of have an argument there. But that’s also a really huge leap: “If we can’t stop people from refusing to value other people, let’s just get them to value every living thing.”

        If you’re at point A on the line, you’re going to have to get to point B before you get to points C, D, or E.

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          it depends how and why they’re devaluing the other human. If they’re basing it on dehumanization in order to exploit/abuse them, then that is in fact built on the underlying assumption that nonhumans are fair game to exploit/abuse, although they are also factually incorrect about the other humans humanity.

          Strategically, it might be easier to get them to recognize that fact, or it might be easier to get them to accept compassion for all sentient beings and then point out the logical conclusions of that, it really depends on the person and situation, but I’m not talking strategy I’m just pointing out an often-unspoken root problem

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        there would be no incentive to dehumanize each other

        Profit, religion, or just plain malice are all incentives

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          Malice and disrespect would still be incentives, but how would it be profitable to dehumanize other humans if it didn’t grant you any ability to exploit them more than you could exploit a “humanized human”? What reason would religion have (not that they’d need one to just make it up 🙄) to dehumanize other humans if it didn’t imply your religious group is more valuable than the dehumanized humans (besides malice and disrespect)?

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        Nah, I only eat grazers, and actually don’t devalue them for it. Vegans technically qualify but it’s too much of a bother to make sure they’re kosher.

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    And then conservatives parrot “wow I can’t believe you say mean words to me just because we have a tiny difference of opinion on whether or not you should be allowed to exist.”

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      That’s debatable. Anything that has to be manually enforced can’t be assured unless there’s someone to enforce it.

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        Its also debatable because amendments exist.

        Amendments even exist to undo previous amendments.

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    This would get likes on Lemmy and Truth Social.

    Reminds me of this optical illusion except both answers to the illusion are correct.

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      It really has become too much imo. It’s not my flag so really I don’t want it to change because of my thoughts, but I feel like objectively as a flag it has become way too complex. That and the fact that it’s continuously changing still makes it all the more confusing.

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    Seems like y’all hate centrists very much, so I’ll just proudly say my centrist opinion here. Obviously they should have rights. No buts.

    (Yes to butts)

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    I believe I should have rights

    Well there’s your problem. This belief thing is a matter of subjective opinion. Objectively speaking, nobody has rights. The universe doesn’t give a shit about our rules and self-imposed limitations. So any rights you want, you have to make people agree within our microcosmos. Anything beyond that is just raw violence.

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        No. It’s not. Fascists believe the world is running a giant conspiracy against them, that they are unfairly prosecuted no matter if the evidences suggest otherwise. So by that, contrary to what you believe, they belive in the possession of an inherent right, albeit often tied to an esoterical religious or pseudo scientific reason like God or the color of your skin. They also belive you don’t have, or don’t deserve to the same rights because you are the conspiracy against them.

        Fascists believes in fantasy. And what he is saying is an observable historical reality. Complete deferent thing. You cannot have rights if you cannot defend them. Black people would not be freed without civil war, workers would not have 8 hours work day and weekends without union. Every societal progress we had made is through force unrelenting. It is force, and sometime ultra violence, that we are able to secure our God damn rights.