Some of the new Reddit mods are so toxic. Instead of apologizing for the bot being too harsh and reinstating my submission, they just banned me because I dared to ask what exactly I didn’t “punctuate correctly”.

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      So I posted this in [email protected]:

      Let’s say this:

      I have no idea if you are a shill or a genuine person. But, there are some behaviors that are bad things to do regardless of which you are:

      1. Recasting your opponents’ views as other ones that make less sense and are easier to argue against, consistently, as a way of muddling the discourse, instead of being honest about what you’re saying and what you are disagreeing with and why, and just letting your point of view speak for itself whether or not I personally would agree with it
      2. Consistently posting a drumbeat of memes in support of your viewpoint (within that same dishonest framing)

      I mean, you can do what you want to do. I’m not gonna try to tell you you are or aren’t allowed to say whatever suits you. But to me, saying “fuck the whole US politics join my coalition for positive change we need a level of change that the current system will not allow” would make sense. Sounds great. I actually would be right there in that coalition. Anything from Bernie Sanders to Ralph Nader to someone further out-there who is working for something to produce actual change in some other way.

      But if instead of that, you misrepresent the “other side”'s viewpoint “fascism is so bad that we need to resist it even if the alternative involves continuing the US’s longstanding policy of allowing some war crimes,” as if it was “I <3 war crimes and genocide”, and post a drumbeat of attack against specifically the least war-crime-friendly big contingent in US politics, I think people will wind up accusing you of bad faith. They’ve got a right to say that too.

      I mean, does that seem fair? If you were posting a big stream of memes about how to put pressure on Biden to do more (like, a fuck of a lot more) to stop the crimes, or in favor of some faction that was plausibly able to produce a better outcome, I don’t think you would be getting near this level of derisive responses. But the message you’re sending doesn’t match the outcome you say you want. I think that’s why you are getting these maybe unfair accusations.

      Removed. Rule 1, civility.

      I got a permanent ban for some other, less friendly, interactions on the same day. But that one decision always stuck out to me as a shining example of the moderation quality on Lemmy.

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        Yeah i have seen “civility” used arbitrarily a lot on lemmy world, specifically in news and politics subs when wrong think or bad facts are provided.

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          literally the same people: leftist instances are cEnSoRiNg my genocide-approving fascist-aligned beliefs!!!

          Always leave it up to liberals to let you down.

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            This is liberal leaning place it seems…

            I am pretty sure “conservative” leaning places have mods doing bans too lol

            What’s up with the left right circlr jerk tho?

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      Arbitrary bans do happen on Lemmy. However they’re like a drop of piss in an ocean of piss, once you compare them with Reddit. No matter what you do there, some assumptive piece of shit will put its words into your mouth, and if that assumer is a mod you are getting banned.

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          If it smells like shit everywhere you go, maybe you should check your own shoes.

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            Or maybe I should check where I’m going. A lot of people don’t like to hear “wishing for genocide or someone’s death is a bad thing”.

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              ??? Some people don’t like to hear “you shouldn’t sexualize children” does that mean we need to accommodate them to make sure they feel safe and cozy? Fuck no. Same deal, different opinion.

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                Except in your comparison, lemmy is the other person you brought up. Wishing death on people and calling for a genocide is deplorable and will rightfully get you ostracized in society. The fact that you don’t see it as that just proves my point further.

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              But wishing someome death to prevent a genocide is morally gray at worst.

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          I don’t know how that can be. I was banned from several places on reddit, but not a one across all the fediverse, and I’m much more active here than I was in reddit

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          At least Lemmy bans ain’t perma yet

          30 day gulag for news and politics subs for proving alternative opinions

          Prolly just warming up tho for the main season

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            I don’t know bro. I’m banned for 20000 days from 196 Why you may ask? Well, I said that “Hamas was totally okay with dead Palestinians. Just as Israel is totally okay with dead Palestinians. Both governments treat Palestinians like a currency to be spent.”. The lead administrator a guy named Moss did not like me saying that. So I am banned for being a fuck ass for 20,000 days now.

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              Arbitrary for sure.

              Banning people from having opinions is counter-productive lol

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                It’s not arbitrary when the lead administrator is a blatant Hamas supporter…

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            Oh there’s permanent bans as well. Point out capitalism always devolves into authoritarian if not outright fascistic groups. Everything’s cool. Point out that every Marxist leninist government that’s ever existed starts out real close and somehow always ends up going fascist themselves. Pow! Permaban and the snowflake tanky mods crying horseshoe Theory. Just for pointing out simple facts and reality.

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              tanky mods crying horseshoe Theory.

              Yep that’s the other one that gets abused a lot

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          Nah.

          Even if someone might argue that Lemmy has plenty hivemind bans, arbitrary bans - like the one shown in the OP, or caused by a mod lacking basic reading comprehension - are relatively uncommon. Apples and oranges, you know.