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There was 0% chance of me paying for it before, and it’s still 0 now. A service is supposed to offer you goods in return for the money. With this service, all i get for paying them increasing obnoxious amounts is a big fuck you.
Google really just forgot that without the people on their platform, YT is worthless
I’d pay for youtube if I wouldn’t also be exposed to tracking, however I much prefer supporting creators directly. IMO the platform should be paid-only and have a revenue-share system akin to Nebula. Fuck ads.
TL;DR
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YouTube is increasing subscription prices outside the US, affecting both individual and family plans.
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The price hike differs per region, with some seeing changes between 30% to 50%.
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If you’re impacted, it makes YouTube Premium more expensive than Spotify Premium and Apple Music.
It’s more than 50%. In Sweden it goes from 179 SEK to 279 SEK for family - that’s almost 56% which is an insane price hike. But hey I’m glad it helps YouTube “improve the service”. I would be out if I didn’t want my family to be able to watch without ads on several non Android devices and a smart TV…
If you’re impacted, it makes YouTube Premium more expensive than Spotify Premium and Apple Music.
I find this particular comparison interesting to bring up. A Youtube Premium subscription also includes a Youtube Music sub (at least in the US, not sure about everywhere else). Which theoretically makes those subscriptions unnecessary as well (ignoring differences in catalog, device availability, etc. of course).
Yeah but YouTube music is utter trash and we don’t use it anyways. We’re just gonna cancel the subscription tbh with you, paying $25 a month was already not worth it so we’re just gonna jump ship now contrary to how we dealt with Netflix and their incremental increases. Getting tired of service providers overcharging everyone and constantly raising prices, not because they added more value but because you got used to paying for it so you’ll probably keep paying.
It’s time for a new YouTube, y’all.
Peertube. It definitely needs more content, but as far as I can tell, it is one of the few viable alternatives. Primarily because one single server does not have to stream the video to every client because every client who watches the video also by default I think acts as a seeder to new people watching the video
agree. it’s got probably the best content range, but the most God awful UI of all the streaming services I’ve tried
Please keep the suckers in the dark so the rest of us can still get around this fucking ridiculous bullshit.
Youtube: Please watch our sponsors Also YT: Fuck those guys, pay us to shut them up
Fuck it all.
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Fortunately their US subscription is so high already they couldn’t possibly raise it any time soon.
…right?
YouTube Headquarters: ^^^^Coming ^^^^Soon
This is ridiculous.
- their algorithms are crap and keep ramming right-wing bullshit down my throat
- they keep trying to get me to play YouTube games
- they list YouTube Shorts multiple times in the Home Screen and most of the time it is just over-sexualised jailbait.
- using anonymous Google to find a video on YouTube is more effective than using YouTube search
I am seriously thinking of getting an Apple Vision Pro just so I can use Juno and bypass all the bullshit.
Time I planned an exit strategy.
I’m gonna be honest dude. The “shorts is just over-sexualised jailbait” is a you issue, and more of a self report on the shit you watch, or you being hyperbolic. I often watch shorts and have not once ever seen anything remotely as you describe.
You get served kid videos because you watch them, which is sick of you. It’s wild you’d admit that when common knowledge is algos show you content you seem to like.
Jailbait is probably the wrong word, but every single short has a scantily clad young lady. It isn’t the Algorithm because all I watch are Machining Videos, DIY and Restoration Videos and the occasional Science and Natural History video.
The most risqué channel subscribe to is VanWives.
Speaking of which, the Algorithm never serves anything that I subscribe to. I would better off going straight to my Subscriptions page.
I will maintain my observation that the Algorithm is shit.
they list YouTube Shorts multiple times in the Home Screen and most of the time it is just over-sexualised jailbait.
Commenters are quick to jump tondunk on you but they don’t realize that youtune runs “studies” or just pump shit up if creator pays. Behavior here is indicative of a larger social issue with bootlickers.
I don’t get allot of that, possibly because I have History turned off and refuse to turn it back on.
- I vastly avoid Right Wing content, and most of what I do encounter is like old school Republican, reeeally old school Republican. They are as pissed at the Right Wing’s take over by the Alt-Right(and worse)
- YouTube has games?!?
- The shorts content I get is mostly computer content and news, some branding because I have entered contests, and that is it. I have seen 1 short that was even approaching jailbaity and it was an add for a coming of age movie.
- It has been literally over a year since I used Google to find a video (well except for a tech support video I keep loosing the link to that I use to help people with installing Windows 11 Locally) and I have been using Startpage which anonymizes Google results.
If you disabling your Ad ID and turning off your history and you still get all that BS I would be looking for an Exit Strategy to.
Just use NewPipe (alternative YouTube front-end with more features and no ads)
The recommendations are not the best but good enough. I usually get movie clips, repair clips, some animal clips and some tech ones.
The shorts thing is on you buddy. Never had any of that and it’s 100% of shorts by people I watch, or of people that are similar to who I watch.
If you’ve followed the YT news you’d know this isn’t true. They literally advertise sex to kids in the ads. I watch a bunch of travel people, animal and history programs, and woodworking/handyman stuff. Never once clicked on a short cause they don’t cast. Every day they put up some Korean cheerleader or other bullshit I don’t give 2 shits about. YT algorithm is manipulative as fuck and sucks now. I get most of my vid referrals from outside sites.
The shorts algorithm is really weird I find. The ones it advertises are usually essentially thinly veiled smut (whereas most videos I watch are tech/science/aviation stuff). But (and I think this is important), if I start watching shorts, most of them are normal type shorts in line with what I’d want to watch. So it feels like it puts some stuff up it thinks will grab your attention but doesn’t push it once you’re watching. I’m sure there’s a good reason for it. But, just comes across as weird to me.
I don’t get right wing stuff in shorts, but I do sometimes get it in the main videos suggested. How I think it happens is, I watch some videos about computer games, or perhaps a video on a games/science topic which is made by a channel that either also has right wing content OR their viewers also watch such stuff. So it figures, well if they viewed video A, and viewers that watched video A also watched video B, let’s push video B to that user too. The algorithm doesn’t really understand left or right wing, just pattern matching from views and other metrics.
I find if you start telling youtube that you don’t want to see them, they will go away, at least for a while.
If you click on something the algorithm goes hard on that content from then on. I clicked on a skateboarding short (which I usually have no interest in) and now half my feed is skateboarding, constantly.
One misclick, one hate watch, is all it takes.
Also, mouseover long enough and it counts as a watch. There’s very little space between videos that doesn’t count as a mouseover too.
Yeah, you sometimes need to curate your videos with the “dont recommend channel” or “dont like the video” or whatever its name is. It tends to happen when I go down a rabbithole - last time I got recommended stupid supra memes from some Turkish guy and watched a couple in a day. Next day, my entire feed is “IS THAT A SUPRA?!!” memes. A couple of clicks later and it’s back to what it was
So what you’re saying is you trust YouTube to do it right? With shorts? I got bombarded with bullshit in shorts, the 50 times they got it in front of my eyes somehow, I never watched any of that in my normal yt rounds. That algorithm is made to brainwash, not to serve you what you want.
I don’t need to “trust” anything other than my eyes. I watch shorts often and never get anything close to “brainwashing” content and it is always tailored to what I watch. I don’t know what your goal is with this comment - are you trying to convince me that that isn’t the case?
My goal is to inform you that your N=1 is unrepresentative, I came in to say: “shorts algorithm suggestions were completely out of wack to my YouTube account(too!)” so now we have at least n=3, and if we can trust each other to say the truth, your ‘its a you problem’ is false. That’s important, because you accused someone of having certain interests, based on their experiences with that algorithm. I think that’s pulling the gun and putting too much ‘trust’ in a commercial YT algorithm, that worked for some (you I guess) but not for all.
I’ve had the same experience as Maalus. I don’t get served right-wing content on videos nor do I get dancing teenage girls.
However, I’ve told YouTube that I’m following about 20 different channels which gives the algorithm a decent idea of what I like and I’ve told YouTube a few years ago not to show me Ben Shapiro videos when it tried once.
I have to ask, if you get right wing videos, do you click on the “Do not show videos like this” button?
With shorts specifically, on my old now non existant account, which had a scary good profile of me, I got washed with right wing bullshit and transphobia when it shoehorned shorts in my life. It knew very very well who I was and that I would not enjoy any of that. I notified YT through don’t show me this again buttons, and when it wouldn’t stop I informed them they had 7 days to get this out of my recommendations or I would close my activity at their website. They did not react, they did not make shorts an option, they did not get the right wing garbage out of the 3 shorts they managed to throw in my face somehow every day when using YouTube. This account was over 10yo. Seeing how good their normal recommendations were, I can only conclude it was broken or bought for shorts, and thus you should be extremely reticent/reluctant blaming it on the users when they get wierd stuff.
What were your other interests?
I’ve got a lot of transportation, history, travel, and comedy.
Piracy needs to (and probably will)intervene.
Not until the large channels lose views because people are torrenting the content will anything change.
I don’t think there is such a thing as YouTube doesn’t use any DRM. All videos are publicly available on a public facing service available to all
the EULA for YouTube says they own all videos uploaded to their site. watching through something like Piped is a soft (and important) form of piracy
You aren’t agreeing the the EULA
But the person operating the piped server is
How so?
It is just a web crawler. It isn’t do much more than your standard search engine
The more you tighten your grip, Google, the more users will slip through your fingers.
They are shooting themselves in the foot
Just make a usable website that isn’t so terribly designed
It’s still the highest value streaming service out there and worth even more than that. Atleast for me it is. I still wont pay for as long as adblocker works but when they inevitably prevent me from using it, I’ll subscribe. I have zero moral arguments for why I should be getting this all for free. YouTube essentially is the internet for me.
No good reason to support a monopoly. Sure, I know we can’t help some monopolies (grocery stores, internet service, etc.), but this is an entertainment thing.
There are unlimited ways to be entertained nowadays and YouTube is not a necessity. Let’s see how well YouTube gets by if we all stop watching for fun, and instead only watch when we have to, such as when we’re trying to learn how to fix a car the one time a year we need it.
They must make a fortune on premium users compared to a regular user, I don’t believe their adverts pays them enough to get them over 10$ a month for a single person…
Wait, it is torrenting YouTube stuff a thing now?
Invidious or piped
Oh, I didn’t know, thought those were a fronted connecting to an API or something.
They don’t connect to an API because the YouTube API requires the developers to sign YouTube Terms of Service, which they refuse to do for obvious reasons. This is why those programs break because they scrape the web page instead of using the API. So when the web page changes, the apps have to change in order to continue working. I think the reason it’s called soft piracy above is because you are using the service without watching their advertising and they don’t like that very much. piracy is wider scope than just torrents, but that’s what most people think of when they hear the word piracy.
Legally it isn’t piracy as you aren’t viewing anything that wasn’t publicly accessible or was not viewable without DRM
Oh, that’s interesting. Thanks for that information.
Yeah that’s how I understood it at least
*I am not a lawyer and you should not take this as legal advise
I don’t know if it is, but you can always just use yt-dlp or something similar.
I don’t get the comparison between YouTube Premium and Spotify Premium. YouTube does much more than Spotify so of course it’ll be more expensive.
Those are steep price jumps, though. Google must have pretty high confidence in their adblock blocking tech.
To me that is the problem and why I’ll probably cancel with this price hike. I don’t want more. I got YT Premium for YouTube, mostly to support creators, cause fuck watching Ads. But I have to pay for Music, Podcasts and whatever other garbage they try to stuff in there. It was the same with Prime. I don’t want to watch your stupid series, I just want free shipping, twitch prime and occasionally an old movie.
Sorry for the rant but these stupid subscription “bundles” are so annoying. The whole ecosystem is becoming shittier every year.
I had heard before that YouTube premium subscriptions don’t support creators, but a quick internet search says it does.
Yeah. I’ve heard a few creators say they get much more money from a Premium user.
Well yeah, but Spotify also does more than Youtube in some ways. Like, have a minimum amount of podcasts on it (I know I know, why not use a separate podcasting app, but for the little podcasts I listen to it’s easier having it all in one app that is known to shit like Sonos and stuff), or have bands that aren’t well known in the US.
Don’t get me wrong, I loathe Spotify, but compared to Youtube’s audio side they’re a much much better experience. Hence I would usually rate them on-par in what they should cost: With Spotify you get a better experience, with Youtube you also get ad-free videos.
I agree that YouTube is pretty much dead as a audio medium (Google Play Music was so much better!) but things like podcasts don’t need Spotify; they work over RSS so any app is supposed to be able to play them (though I guess most people probably don’t know what podcasts are supposed to be these days). I’ve loaded my Patreon podcasts into Podcini, for instance, proving that subscription models aren’t a problem for podcasts either.
The hosting cost difference between videos and music is staggering, though. I’m still surprised YouTube can afford to exist on ads alone, even if they play three ads for every video. It’s unreasonable to expect YouTube to be the same price as Spotify if you watch any video content.
They’ve figured out that it’s impossible to have children today without paying for Youtube Premium Family …
I find it funny that the “play” icon in the articles thumbnail picture (up-left corner of the red trapezoid) looks quite similar to newpipe’s logo.
It’s also worth it to point out that, for people that care about supporting content creators but don’t want to or can’t afford to do so individually through services like Patreon, Youtube Premium views pay creators far more than a regular view.
What if I don’t care about supporting the self appointed celebrities?
Ha
