Hi,
jlai.lu is the french instance of Lemmy, some user posted this thread 16 days ago : https://jlai.lu/post/11504685, and a flamewar ensued between hexbear and the french, e.g. between happybadger and their administrator here.
Since they didn’t really have any reason to defederate initially, they’re now adamant that they should defederate only because of this discussion, since it proved that every Hexbear&Lemmygrad user is agressive(, as if jlai.lu users weren’t agressive in this discussion as well).
I still find hard to believe that they could defederate on such weak basis, and it does feel like a convenient excuse, but that’s what they’re saying, ask them for confirmation if you don’t believe it either.
They also used a list of post found on /c/[email protected] as if it was representative, but it hardly counts as an argument, what a stupid situation…
They’ve now pinned this post for 12 days, and the defederation with both Hexbear and Lemmygrad seems unavoidable.
I’ve known this for more than a week but didn’t care that much, yet when talking with them, and especially @Camus here, they/he said that they/he would like to talk to you. @Camus is very patient/nice, and you can look at his number of comments/posts to gauge his influence, probably their most active user(, kind of a french ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆).
Well, to be more precise, he informally asked for some excuses from Hexbear, but my post here didn’t reach them, perhaps because of “r*tard” in my username(, r*tardataire designate someone who’s late in french).
However, more than excuses in the name of others, you only have to show him that we’re not aggressive(, if you have some time, it won’t change much in the end), something very easy/natural to prove for >90% of Hexbear users(, and perhaps >70-80% of Lemmygrad 🙂, it does feel a bit more bitter/serious here, not a criticism).
They have some communities that aren’t that far apart from what could be found on Lemmygrad or Hexbear b.t.w., so it can’t really be said that they’d reject us solely based on terrorism apologia, supporting Stalin, etc.(, even if their “leftist” admin is against socialist countries because our capitalists said that they’re authoritarian).
Staying federated with a french instance would be useless for 99% of Hexbear and Lemmygrad, so if you intervene it’d mostly be on the behalf of current/future french users(, it can be nice sometimes to speak your native language without using an alt account), and perhaps also for Lemmygrad and Hexbear’s reputation on jlai.lu.
If you’re french, and/or simply nice, and want a chat with them, feel free to do so directly under the post or with @Camus.
(Kinda worth mentionning in passing that, currently, their top two posts of all time sorted by the most comments are the ones cited above about this defederation)
Also, keep in mind that this defederation is unavoidable though, if it doesn’t happen now it’ll be next year or the year after. As you know, reddit banned ChapoTrapHouse, GenZedong, etc., and we were quickly banned from lemmy.world and others, so we’ll one day be banned from other “centrist” instances such as the french one. Just like we’d also be banned/censored by our governement if our numbers grow enough to disturb/‘be a threat’.
Furthermore, Hexbear took action, and decided to defederate first without even trying to discuss more calmly. So don’t waste too much of your time either(, but please don’t go there unless you intent to speak calmly).
Thanks for reading :) !
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I leant the liberal was added to the discussion once I started pointing out the xenophobic status of the French thing.
I don’t know about that. To admit to being french is to admit to being liberal at best. The two can’t be separated. Same as any imperialist nationality. If liberal was added to later comments, it’s because clarification was clearly needed because readers weren’t understanding what it means to be French and what it means to criticise the abstract ‘French’.
I wouldn’t generally want to be associated with an imperialist regime. Nationality is not ethnicity or race. It’s an ideological choice. For Anglo-European nations, it’s a damning choice. It’s a claim that someone is in this group, not that one. Claiming and defending being ‘French’ perpetuates what Fanon called the compartments of the colonial world.
Those who take offence at a rejection of ‘French’, ‘German’, ‘British’, ‘Australian’, etc, need to ask themselves what it is they are claiming allegiance to. Once you’ve decolonised and abolished the imperialism of imperialist nations, what remains? The witty ‘defederate’ is like the phrase, ‘French? Not even once’. It’s not a general rejection of the people. It’s a rejection of what France stands for.
Born in a country = be liberal at best.
Would the rest of your post be different I would classify this as a top racism.
Which is totally the opposite of what happened. Someone calls out an instance for being French and I just pointed that out as being xenophobic. Now your whole argumentations would tend to prove that I was correct in the first place and that judging people for being born somewhere is being xenophobic.
Those who confuse the rejection of a country with the rejection of the people living in that country need to ask themselves what it is they are claiming allegiance to.
Are you pro-France, do you support the actions of our government ?
If not, why argue on the principle that users here were “racist” or xenophobic for hating a pro-french instance ? Jlai.lu isn’t anti-imperialist nor anti-french, and i doubt that finding a few criticisms(, and even fewer support for the countries we’re defending here,) would change that fact.
They’re assuming the ideology of people living in France, and of your instance, rightfully so i.m.o., not saying that there’s a problem with french “genes” or w/e
Congratulations for completely missing and proving the point.