Summary
Donations to Kamala Harris’ campaign are now partially directed to a “Recount Account,” raising speculation about a possible recount effort despite her recent concession to Donald Trump, who won with 312 Electoral College votes.
Although recounts in close states could be requested, Harris’ campaign has emphasized funding efforts to support close Senate and House races still undecided.
The campaign’s website urges donations to help “see the election across the finish line” for Democrats in Congress, while Republicans have already secured a Senate majority and the House remains in contention.
A sobering statistic:
Trump won with the support of just 75 million votes in a country with 335 million citizens.
In other words, just 22 percent of the US citizens decided to drive the country off a cliff, and everyone else is now going down with them.
For reference, the population of voting age Americans is roughly 262 million. This would translate to 28.6% of voting age citizens driving the country off the cliff for all 335 million citizens.
And Trump lost 2020 with about the same number of voters.
And then he had his traitor terrorists seize voting machines all over the country in contested areas. The enemies of the United States had first hand access to the machines we already know are vulnerable to first hand attacks.
This is completely normal. In almost every election far more people vote for “nobody” than for either candidate. So the percentage of people who support any president is always super low. The support for these politicians is very small but the hegemonic narrative completely obscures this.
This is not completely normal anywhere but in the US. The US has atrocious voter turnout, for a wide number of reasons, most of them intentional.
Anyone who didn’t vote made the same decision.
Trump won with the support of just 75 million votes in a country with 335 million citizens.
In other words, just 22 percent of the US citizens decided to drive the country off a cliff,
Wrong.
He won 75 million active votes plus 10-15 million people who opted to stay home, knowing it was a de-facto vote for Trump.
They are just as guilty as the Trump voters.
They are just as guilty as the Trump voters.
This is not untrue, but it’s also not a meaningful path forward.
Is it really that 15 million uninspired people are “okay with racism”? Even if we take that at face value, okay? How do we inspire them, then? Losing is not an option for us.
They are uncaring about such issues.
I hate to break it to you, man, but most people barely care about politics at all. Politics is that annoying thing they have to deal with once every Thanksgiving when uncle Remus won’t shut up about the border.
It would be really nice if they did care, but they don’t. You either work around this problem, or you lose indefinitely.
Listen, i was vocal, i talked about voting a lot, about how i fucking hate the democrats, but they are the only way to avert a major disaster, and after i finished voting and told my friend group, i had one go “I’m not even registered to vote, lol” and “it’s not that big of a deal, we did a trump presidency last time, nothing changed” “both sides are blowing this out of proportion” and i lost my shit. I don’t know how you reach these people, maybe it’s time to start backing the leopard instead.
Part of the reason that people don’t believe much happened under Trump is that the DNC is terrible about telling them.
What motivates the right? Non-stop, 24-7, talk news radio propaganda about how badly the woke democrats are fucking everything up, about how your son is gay because of flouride in your water.
What motivates the left?
I mean that, sincerely. It can’t be our sense of righteous civic duty; as you just said, people don’t care. We don’t have a story. Biden passed the Stop Inflation Act? Okay. What even is that?
You should ask those same people, I’m not saying it’ll be every single one of them, but ask them if they liked Bernie Sanders. It’s not impossible to reach these people, most of them anyway, they just need something to latch on to.
The Democratic party has an unstable coalition at its very core because many people (in their coalition even) believe in white supremacy, have homophobic/transphobic tendencies, or believe in the subjugation of women. They have run consistently after Reagan with a center-right economic platform, but a more left-wing social/cultural platform. When people were marginalized enough by the capital class by their identities this worked as a voting block.
Now everyone has gotten comfortable enough – because many of the systemic barriers that repressed them have been removed – to believe the superficial lies that Trump isn’t racist, or sexist, or <<insert bad characteristic here>> and it doesn’t motivate them enough to vote anymore.
Never claimed to have an answer for it.
But denying truth just because it’s inconvenient or we don’t have an answer for it doesn’t change the fact that it’s the truth.
But we need an answer. Not from you specifically, of course, but we die if we don’t.
Think about this for a moment:
knowing it was a de-facto vote for Trump.
Did they? Like, have you spoken to them? Your average voter is not even half as politically plugged in as you or I am.
Getting people to begrudgingly vote for someone they don’t believe represents any fundamental change to the problems they’re dealing with is, unfortunately, just not that exciting. And if you don’t have excitement, how do you get the message to spread? If someone isn’t excited about cleaning up their dirty city, are you really surprised it never happens?
If you’re refusing to pick fights with republicans, refusing to point out their obstructionism to the good you’re working for, refusing to acknowledge any of the problems people have had with your previous candidates—I can shit talk Obama and Bill Clinton, but the DNC is not capable of it, which might even explain why they’re so quiet about Trump’s connections to Epstein; then how can you represent anything new?
Tim Walz’s Weird campaign was a massive step in the right direction, there was energy then, and the DNC muzzled him as soon as they were able to. How can you be excited about the fight against republicans when DNC leadership are barely excited about it themselves?
I’m sorry for the rant, I really didn’t mean to write a wall of text. I’m just saying, it’s true that our people should have taken their medicine, they should have voted, but the reason so many didn’t has to be systemic. It’s not because they wanted Trump; if they did, they would have gone and voted for him. There is a rot at the heart of our current efforts that needs to be cut out before it consumes us completely.
Did they? Like, have you spoken to them? Your average voter is not even half as politically plugged in as you or I am.
Obviously not every single one of them. And I do agree – your argument has merit and isn’t entirely wrong. In Pre-Trump days, it was pretty easy to be completely oblivious to politics. I was. Couldn’t have cared less, because neither side was really doing anything to impact my life. But then came Trump. And the Trump Hate Machine. And the mainstream media. All cramming Trump down everyone’s throats 24/7/365. After 9 years of that, it is impossible to convince me that even the lowest-information voter doesn’t have at least some opinion of Trump. I refuse to believe that there is somewhere in this country where people are completely oblivious to Trump and he has had no real impact on their lives. And if this magical paradise exists, I want to move there tomorrow.
but the reason so many didn’t has to be systemic. It’s not because they wanted Trump; if they did, they would have gone and voted for him
10 million former Biden voters, which means not low-information voters, but voters that knew the stakes, chose to stay home. That’s just math. And almost every single excuse that has been bandied about quickly falls apart when held up to an even minimal amount of scrutiny. And listen to the excuses that we’re getting from our own base:
“We’d have won if we put up Bernie.” – So in other words, you really don’t have a problem with an old white guy. Or the policies. So if they don’t have a problem with policies or the old white guy, what makes Kamala Harris different? Hmmm…I wonder.
“She campaigned with Liz Cheney!” – But what about the dozens of male Republicans that also endorsed her? Cheney – the woman who sacrificed her career and position in the GOP to stand up to Trump – is the problem. Again…wonder what makes her different. This mystery may never be solved!
You are right in that we have to figure out and address why so many Democrats stayed home. But this means also acknowledging all of the reasons for the loss, including the politically incorrect and inconvenient ones. And one of those facts is that a significant portion of the Democrat base is not willing to vote for a woman or another Black person as President. We have put up women twice – and they both lost to Trump, who rose to power largely on the backs of those who were pissed that we put a black person in office the first time. This is the inconvenient truth we have to face, and it may be racist and political suicide to say publicly, but mark my words : The message will not matter. If the Democrats put up another minority in 2028, they will lose and lose hard. The american public is just not willing to do that again.
I’m not abdicating racism or sexism as part of the problem. But if you’re just going to capitulate to it, god, we may as well run 20 more white men. I think that if America is capable of electing Obama on the promise of hope and change, they can elect Kamala.
If the DNC is going to put up a candidate that must deal with racism and sexism, wouldn’t the message be like ten times as important? But what was there?
“What would you do differently than Biden?”
“Hm, nothing really comes to mind.”People didn’t like Biden, so how was this meant to inspire anyone? I don’t reckon many people actually saw that specific interview, but this is the attitude the DNC gives us every. single. time. It’s always scraps and morsels.
You realize, if those 10 million people had come out for Kamala and we had beaten Trump just barely, I’m still not satisfied with that. What I thought we had on election night was a coin flip, not the blowout that happened. A coin flip. Against a fascist.
Nah. The missing votes compared to 2020 that everyone is harking on about wouldn’t have changed the election results thanks to the electoral college. Harris would have won pop vote, but Trump still would have won the election. Nevermind the fact that you can’t know all those missing votes would have been for Harris.
Stop looking for someone else to blame when the only culprits responsible for Trump winning are the ones that voted for him.
Trump got virtually the same number of votes that he did in 2020. Harris got 10+ million less votes than Biden did in 2020.
And the losses were across the board, hitting safe blue states along with battleground states. It was so bad that states like New Jersey and California almost looked competitive.
Republicans came out for Trump. Democrats stayed home for Harris. The math proves it.
I’m not refuting that Harris got fewer votes overall across the country, but the turnout in the key swing states was actually overall better for Harris in 2024 than it was for Biden in 2020. You wanna talk about “the math proves it” then you need to look at the swing states.
Nah, how about not making flimsy excuses for apathy and it’s consequences.
If you didn’t vote for Harris, you are complicit in whatever Trump’s administration does the next 4 years, and we’re not going to let you hide from your culpability. Regardless of whatever BS you come up with to justify your decision after the fact.
You’re hurting them with facts.
No excuse to not vote. They stfu during the election, they most certainly should stfu now and for the next four years.
There was nobody for them to vote for. That’s absolutely the fault of the dems.
I’m sorry, I must have been hallucinating when I saw the black woman that spent the last 3 months campaigning.
…with a Cheney*
So?
So some people felt they had no one to vote for.
Because she’s a Republican? Or another woman? Because they didn’t seem to have a problem with the several dozen prominent male Republicans who also endorsed her. They had no problems with a bunch of male Republicans who spent the past 9 years or so sucking off Trump. But Cheney, who sacrificed her position in the party and her entire political career to stand up to Trump while these guys all swallowed his dick, was a bridge too far to the point where they decided Trump was the better choice.
Gee. I wonder what the difference is between Liz Cheney and every male republican who endorsed Harris. I just can’t seem to put my finger on it…
In fairness, though, not all of those citizens are eligible to vote. I found a link that says there are 244 million eligible voters. That’s now 30%.
https://bipartisanpolicy.org/explainer/10-things-to-know-2024-presidential-election/
And not all eligible citizens are registered. Yes, I am aware that Republicans fuck with the voter rolls. I found a link that says there are 162m registered voters in the US, which seems low. But assuming it is accurate, we’re now at 46%.
https://www.statista.com/topics/11901/2024-us-presidential-election/#topicOverview
There is no getting around the fact that we brought this on ourselves.
You can’t just ignore the worst parts of the system. Many many people are disenfranchised and the dems haven’t done anything to change that. Many people live in “red” or “blue” states where their vote doesn’t matter at all and the dems haven’t done anything to change that. Many people see no reason to register and again the dems are to blame for not offering a viable alternative. When less than 28% of USAians are willing to support your candidate, maybe the other 72% of the country isn’t the problem.
If ur too stupid or lazy to exercise your right to have a say in ur own future u deserve zero sympathy and have zero right to complain. Here in australia we have mandatory voting to ensure u have a say or at the very least ensure no shenanigans around preventing particular groups from voting. And before u say u cant force someone to have an opinion thats absolutely right u also have the right to spoil ur ballot.
Tbh we cannot say for sure what the other 78% would have voted.
Nonetheless non voters almost make me more angry that Republican voters
Maybe it will make you feel a little better that there were only 244M eligible voters this election?
The University of Florida’s Election Lab reported (as of November 9) that turnout was around 62% of the voting-eligible population.
Why were the other citizens not eligible to vote? Smells of disenfranchisement unless there are way more minors than I thought.
Prisoners and ex-felons.
The Presidential race ain’t changing, but I can see recounts possible in some close House races. There are still several House races within 1 point either way with lots of vote to count. It is extremely unlikely that Democrats win all those, but if even if just one seat is picked away in a recount it will decrease the Republican majority and make it harder for them to pass their agenda.
Get that rich donor class to pay for it. They make all the demands anyway.
I want to reply to all the fundraising texts with “go ask your billionaire friends for money” but that doesn’t stop them so I just say “stop”
I just sent this to Biden & Harris via the White House contact page https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/. I share in case you would like to add your voice and may find it helpful to have a pre-existing template to use or edit. Please feel free to share with others as you see fit. Peace, Atelopus-zeteki
Template: I would like to add my voice in the call for a recount of the 2024 presidential election. I would also like to ask that you conduct a full investigation into tampering, interference, and fraud for this election.
· 32 bomb threats were called into democratic leaning polling places in swing states, causing them to be closed for extended periods of time on Election Day.
· At least one bomb threat was called into a vote counting center.
· Polling locations were closed while voters were still in line to vote.
· Multiple Ballot drop boxes were set on fire, in democratic leaning areas, losing thousands of ballots.
· Many voters reported not receiving mail in ballots, while districts apparently had not sent thousands of them.
· Hundreds of people in swing states are reporting that their votes have not been counted or even have never been received, though they were dropped off/mailed on time
· Some voters also reported instances of their outgoing mail not being picked up after placing their ballot in their mailbox.
· Voters also reported having their ballots invalidated for reasons such as invalid signatures, and given no chance to fix it.
We cannot allow election interference. Please order a recount as soon as possible.
The American people do not trust the results of this election. The people are concerned that there is outside interference – from foreign governments and from private corporations at least – in our election. We are concerned that this was not a free and fair election. We are concerned that we are being lied to and a dictator is trying to take over our government. I am begging you to do everything in your power to stop this from taking place. Thank you very much for your time and attention to this matter.
Also, contact your rep and senators about the 14th amendment.
Agreed!
Took me less than five minutes. I highly encourage everyone to do it.
https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative
https://www.senate.gov/senators/
The message doesn’t need to be long. Just mention the 14th amendment, section 3 and that they need to do their duty as Congress and not allow an insurrectionist (January 6th 2021) to hold office.
Do you have any actual source for this? Some of it is just farcical on its face. Like the thousands of ballots in drop boxes. I saw articles for 3 drop boxes, amounting to around a hundred at most, spread over two states.
You’re also accusing staunchly Democratic election systems of sand bagging Harris over multiple states. The breadth of conspiracy that would take is mind boggling. It is literally unbelievable.
That should all definitely be investigated but I don’t think “recount” is the right word for a lot of it. Anything that was counted should be, but a lot just seems like outright interference where there’s nothing to recount because people weren’t able to vote. Was it enough to matter? No one can really know for sure.
Bomb threats are bad enough on there own. Even worse when it interferes with an election. The culprits need to be severely punished, though that may not stop people from doing it again if they feel it worked.
I don’t know what the solution is if there are quite a few people willing to do anything they can to interfere in an election. You can’t watch every postman, polling worker, polling station, etc. There’s just too many and not enough people. But then you get into a “who watches the watchmen” situation even if there were.
Feels like the problem is having a two party system and also only needing a majority to get things passed. If we had proper representation by multiple parties then cheating from any one party would hopefully be far less effective.
I know it’s dumb to wish, but I would love a complete revote!
I’m not sure what there is to recount in this election. There might be one or two house seats but it’s not going to swing control of anything. Honestly they should bank it and use it to buy some political capital with the people.
Stop the steal! \s
Here’s how Biden can still win:
BlueMAGA has gone full MAGA with stolen election bullshit.
Is she gonna claim election interference and that it was stolen cos people got real mad when trump did that.
We got mad because he was obviously lying.
