I think you’re missing the fact that the bosses of the establishment aren’t paying their employees fair wages and thats the only reason the tip is needed. Im not paying 25% for shit service. Tips are a GRATUITY for doing a good job and equate to a BONUS. They are not, nor were they ever, a defacto part of someone’s earnings.
Your experiences are different. My friends who work for tips tell me they rely on that money. Losing those tips would have an immediate and real adverse impact on their health and safety.
You’re not really grokking what I stated. No one should ever rely on tips. They should rely on a fair wage. Tips are a thank you, a gratuity, and no one owes them to anyone. The rich bastards not paying a living wage and turning this into an “us vs them” discussion are the problem here, as is the mindset of tips being earnings.
No one should rely on tips, but they do. Refusing to tip now just hurts people , real people, immediately. You have to live in the world as it is while trying to improve it.
The bartender can’t eat your idealism nor find shelter from the elements in it.
And with inflation, I can’t afford to tip. If I to go to a bar I budget for it, but these minimum tip barriers preventing me from tipping without breaking the bank lead to me saying no tip if they wont allow me to customize it.
That said I go to a bar once a year now because of the cost. I mostly hit this BS on the rare occasion I need to drive my wife to a doctors appointment and I stop at Starbucks or the closest coffee shop and get a brewed coffee. They take thirty seconds to pour a cup and pass it to me and then expect a 25% tip. Meanwhile their CEO flies his personal jet to work everyday.
I tip at bars because servers are providing an experience. But even then, if i cant get the persons attention for half the night, and they are just on their cellphone talking to the bartender… no tip. I worked in bars. I watch. I reward good service. I wont reward half-assery.
As I said at the root of this thread, my ire is mostly reserved for rich people who refuse to tip. If you’re struggling, you have to make your own decisions and compromises to get by. But the guy who makes more money from interest than the bartender makes all night, when they don’t tip they’re an asshole.
The problem you’re describing, that people aren’t paid enough and CEOs are too rich, is a very real problem.
People who make more in daily interest than the worker does from the shift , I don’t think have the moral high ground on tipping.
Guy taking home $250k salary with health care griping about $10 extra. Really.
Sure, income and the economy should be different. The worker can’t pay for housing with idealism.
I think you’re missing the fact that the bosses of the establishment aren’t paying their employees fair wages and thats the only reason the tip is needed. Im not paying 25% for shit service. Tips are a GRATUITY for doing a good job and equate to a BONUS. They are not, nor were they ever, a defacto part of someone’s earnings.
Have you ever worked for tips or been a close friend of someone who did?
You don’t work for tips. You work for a wage. And yes I worked years in the service industry and still have many friends in it.
Your experiences are different. My friends who work for tips tell me they rely on that money. Losing those tips would have an immediate and real adverse impact on their health and safety.
You’re not really grokking what I stated. No one should ever rely on tips. They should rely on a fair wage. Tips are a thank you, a gratuity, and no one owes them to anyone. The rich bastards not paying a living wage and turning this into an “us vs them” discussion are the problem here, as is the mindset of tips being earnings.
Eat the rich, not your clientelle.
No one should rely on tips, but they do. Refusing to tip now just hurts people , real people, immediately. You have to live in the world as it is while trying to improve it.
The bartender can’t eat your idealism nor find shelter from the elements in it.
And with inflation, I can’t afford to tip. If I to go to a bar I budget for it, but these minimum tip barriers preventing me from tipping without breaking the bank lead to me saying no tip if they wont allow me to customize it.
That said I go to a bar once a year now because of the cost. I mostly hit this BS on the rare occasion I need to drive my wife to a doctors appointment and I stop at Starbucks or the closest coffee shop and get a brewed coffee. They take thirty seconds to pour a cup and pass it to me and then expect a 25% tip. Meanwhile their CEO flies his personal jet to work everyday.
I tip at bars because servers are providing an experience. But even then, if i cant get the persons attention for half the night, and they are just on their cellphone talking to the bartender… no tip. I worked in bars. I watch. I reward good service. I wont reward half-assery.
As I said at the root of this thread, my ire is mostly reserved for rich people who refuse to tip. If you’re struggling, you have to make your own decisions and compromises to get by. But the guy who makes more money from interest than the bartender makes all night, when they don’t tip they’re an asshole.
The problem you’re describing, that people aren’t paid enough and CEOs are too rich, is a very real problem.