• Nik282000@lemmy.ca
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    Bias: I’m coming up on forty, so my experience of being a kid in high school was twenty years ago. I work with a few “kids” in their early twenties, and have a few family members in their teens and twenties.

    Parenting as in “process of raising and educating a child from birth until adulthood” and the use of phones/tablets as parenting tools are a HUGE factor.

    When I was young, under 8-ish, my parents were very strict on following rules. My bother and I could watch TV, play video games, run around outside with impunity given that there were no other obligation but if we were told that the TV goes off at 6 for some reason and we resisted then the TV was unplugged for the next couple of days. Talking back would mean the rest of the night with no toys, single user devices like the family computer had a set time limit, going over the limit would have your next turn revoked. It was also instilled in us that the authority of parents extended to other family members and teachers.

    By the time we were in our early teens my parents could go pretty much hands off. As long as all school obligations were completed we were free to come and go as we pleased, it was pretty awesome. I’m not sure it was the ideal approach to parenting but it made two teens who never had disciplinary issues in school and could be trusted not to go drunk driving or start smoking pot.

    I’ve seen very little of that type of parenting in the past 20 years, particularly at a young age. Outbursts and insubordination are more likely to be met with a conversation or an argument and entertainment is rarely deprived as form of negative reinforcement. Phones/tablets are also used as a pacifier, which presents a big problems. The internet has been geared by businesses towards grabbing, and holding your attention by manipulating your emotions. This is not great for adults but I suspect this is pretty bad for kids who are still learning how to understand and deal with emotions in general.

    And it’s not like parents want to raise kids who are pricks but there are WAY more pressures on parents now than there were 30 years ago, enforcing rules without resulting to violence stressful and difficult. Plus there have been some pretty ridiculous financial stresses, employers want more time from employees, our health care system is a nightmare, no one can afford to be a stay-at-home but no one can afford childcare either. And you still have the 24/7 assault of businesses trying to manipulate your emotions and keep you permanently anxious.

    All of this gets you an emotionally unstable kid who is used to getting what they want either immediately or after applying some pressure to an authority figure, and parents who are too burned out to and unsupported to do anything about it.

    tl:dr: old man thinks things were easier 30 years ago, that is bad for kids now.

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    I teach university level (ages 17 and up).

    Purely anecdotal, but I can confirm that I see instances of everything mentioned in this article on a weekly (sometimes daily) basis.

    Students are more flippant and belligerent. They will go over your head and around your back to get excused for work. When they make a mistake, they find a way to blame it on the teacher.

    I started teaching in 2006 and it was not like this. Blaming COVID and technology is easy. Blaming parents is easy. But, top-down decisions are another thing to look at. People who are no longer teaching are making teaching decisions in some instances, and disciplinary measures have been weakened. Students lawyer up in a heartbeat so we walk on eggshells.

    Example: student cheats, uses ChatGPT or plagiarised something? I cannot say they cheated. That’s slander or libel. I have to get the documentalist to confirm and then the head of the programme will speak with the student. If the student admits, they get a mulligan, otherwise the student can appeal and that is a can if worms I don’t want to lear about.

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    I wonder if this is mostly a hangover from COVID. My parents are teachers, and they say after the 2 month summer break the kids backslide and most classes aren’t back to normal until almost Christmas. This survey is from 2022 when schools still weren’t even completely back to pre-COVID routines.

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      Covid and technology. It’s pretty well documented what modern social media does to people’s attention spans. On top of it teachers weren’t even allowed to take a kids phone in class until recently.

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    Kids emulate adults…

    Blaming them is pathetic lol

    But calling out shiti parenting is no no spot within our society

    With that said shiti parenting is largely result of poor social economic conditions. Even if you want to be a good parent it is very hard to do unless you got economic means AND time.

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      Kids emulate adults…

      I would generalize that more to, “People operate and react to the system they’re in.” For kids, a huge part of that is their parents, but there are other factors involved like social media, and the wider society.

      So many people want the simple answer, so they say it’s “personal responsibility” and nothing else. We need to create/adjust our systems to generate the outcomes we want. As you point out, socioeconomics play a huge part so we not only need to relieve those burdens, but also provide specific supports in schools and the wider communities.

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        Yeah, exactly. We’ve been running on “personal responsibility” as the core ethic of society for 50 years now, and, uh… I mean, it hasn’t worked out here, I’m not sure why anyone would believe that it’ll work for 10 year olds.