It’s not about “minor discomfort.” The Fediverse has too much UX friction for someone that isn’t in tech/used to a product that isn’t mature in features or content. Even if they are fine with that, they need to spend time to figure out what server(s) to trust, or at least an organization they can sue if things go wrong.
Ranting about “normies” instead of listening and understanding what their needs and concerns are is not conducive to growth, but it’ll certainly help it decay.
Exactly. Most Fediverse fans always go on a rant about “corporations”, “enshittification”, whatever, when they don’t understand that not everyone will take/have time to learn about these things. Not everything is simple as in just click a big “download” button or “create account”. It’s those new extra steps that confuse those people, some who are of old age, or never saw a desktop computer before. It needs actual designers.
Same thing with other FOSS projects.
People on Lemmy are not all one person or a hivemind, so that depends on who you ask.
Personally I wouldn’t mind it if those people’s values aligned with the values of the fediverse, I think it would be beneficial to us and to them (in getting them off corporate social media and reducing corporate influence in society), but if their values do not align with ours it will only ruin what we have here and potentially just make Lemmy another corporate centralised social media, reducing or removing outright any wider societal benefit in my opinion.
No, no. It’s definitely about “getting fucked” as SnotFlickerman succinctly put it. It’s just users getting ravaged by corporations so hard they don’t notice care—or something.
and when they do figure out the unintuitive UX, they’re met with an avalanche of reply guys and, if they’re Black, a fuckload of overt and covert racism that everyone else will ignore…
there’s a reason why most people on the fedi are white men in tech
only the queer community seems to have managed to carve itself a place on the fedi, and even it has big issues of rampant racism
basically, someone online (usually a man) who replies to another person (usually a woman) in a condescending tone, or giving unsolicited advice, that sorta stuff
I’ve seen this term on Mastadon. I’m actually confused by it a bit, since I’ve always thought replies are to be expected on the Internet.
I think women have a problem with men following them and replying in an overly familiar manner, or mansplaining, or something like that. I’m old, used to forums, and never used Twitter, so I may be missing some sort of etiquette that developed there. I generally don’t reply at all on Mastadon because of this, and really, I’m not sure what Mastadon or microblogging is for. Seems to be for developing personal brands, and for creators of content to inform followers of what they created. Seems not to be for discussion. I.e. more like RSS than Reddit (that’s my understanding at least).
Lemmevangelists really like the email analogy because they think literally anyone knows or cares how email works. 99% of people lose you the moment you say the word “protocol”
The vast majority of email address domains aren’t chosen, they come from your ISP, Cell phone/computer OS manufacturer, or employer/school. That’s the opposite of the fedeverse account creation process.
“following people”, including whoever “Susie Dent” is, is fundamentally an incompatible concept with a forum structure of Lemmy or the “thousand niche spaces” culture of Mastodon.
I would go one step further and say all celebrity culture is fundamentally incompatible with decentralisation of power as a principle when put into practice architecturally and ideologically
Understanding what the Fediverse is. This is time people can use for other things.
Finding a server that you can reasonably trust and is relatively troll free. This is time people can use for other things.
The default UI is ugly, and I can’t easily share a Photon UI link with friends from my phone.
Having the same content appear across multiple servers and there’s no way to just have 1 common thread/linkage to it. Some things start to feel spammy and drown out other items.
The link sort system has too many options and some are not intuitively named. Yes, I can look at the wiki, but you’re making me look at a wiki.
NSFW content default on. Not exactly a winning option if you’re trying to get new folks to join.
It’s a good thing. Understanding things you use is a good thing. Knowing things is a good thing.
This is time people can use for other things.
They shouldn’t. Understanding what you’re using is the absolute bare minimum and I think it’s absurd to consider this a UX friction, when the same cannot be said for e.g. someone who makes the decision to buy a car or a bike or a plane or a gun or a computer or a phone, all require some skill and some knowledge to operate.
Finding a server that you can reasonably trust and is relatively troll free.
Just like finding a social media of choice today? It also doesn’t really matter, Lemmy instances aren’t Discord “servers”.
The default UI is ugly, and I can’t easily share a Photon UI link with friends from my phone.
What’s wrong with it? I think it looks really cool actually. It’s clean, simple, and the colour scheme and it’s use is great. I’ve honestly no idea what “photon UI” is. After I signed up, I only browse Lemmy on my phone via Jerboa.
Having the same content appear across multiple servers and there’s no way to just have 1 common thread/linkage to it. Some things start to feel spammy and drown out other items.
That’s an issue of sorting and subscribing. Unsub to duplicate communities and change filter to something like “Scaled”.
The link sort system has too many options and some are not intuitively named. Yes, I can look at the wiki, but you’re making me look at a wiki.
Huh? Do you mean the sort in the feed? If so it’s all fairly intuitive. I’ve not heard anyone say otherwise until now either so I think this is just a personal issue.
NSFW content default on. Not exactly a winning option if you’re trying to get new folks to join.
I’ve not seen any NSFW comment on Lemmy period. I think if you don’t seek it out it’s not there. On the other hand - I think previously NSFW content was actually a large pull to sites like Twitter and Instagram, and lack thereof caused an exodus of users from sites like Tumblr. I’ve also anecdotally heard from some IRL friends’ (men especially) that they got into Reddit as a porn site, then branched out to become more active users overall, so this may be less of a hurdle than it first appears.
It’s a good thing. Understanding things you use is a good thing. Knowing things is a good thing.
Totally, but why should someone learn this thing over all the other things they can learn with their limited time in the day? Everyone has different priorities in life, and I’d expect this would rank very low for many people.
I think it’s absurd to consider this a UX friction
It sounds like you haven’t had much exposure with respect to UX design (which is understandable, it’s still a growing field). A key thing to consider is knowing your target user base. If Lemmy is meant exclusively for those that are fans of FOSS or are in the IT field, then it’s probably doing ok. If Lemmy is meant to be something for anyone to use, then it’s got a long way to go to meet the needs of the general population. What is considered simple or easy to understand for an engineer can be interpreted extremely differently by the target user. To get the right approach, options need testing and evaluation, and the design engineers need understanding and humility when they go back to the drawing board.
Just like finding a social media of choice today? It also doesn’t really matter, Lemmy instances aren’t Discord “servers”.
People gravitate towards the social media their friends and family are on. The corporate sites make it very simple. 1 corporation, 1 server, an email, a password, and you’re good to go.
What’s wrong with it? I think it looks really cool actually. It’s clean, simple, and the colour scheme and it’s use is great. I’ve honestly no idea what “photon UI” is. After I signed up, I only browse Lemmy on my phone via Jerboa.
The base browser UI feels dated and maybe a step up from a wireframe design. I’m on Lemmy.world, so they offer a view different variants that look like a modern UI (like Photon and Alexandrite). It’s nice because they’re available on desktop and mobile browsers, but they don’t always work, My friends don’t use Lemmy, so I generally just send the base link from my Lemmy app of choice. They’ve learned to deal with it, but I doubt they’ll be joining the Fediverse anytime soon.
That’s an issue of sorting and subscribing. Unsub to duplicate communities and change filter to something like “Scaled”.
This is UX friction. Why should someone need to set this up to get rid of duplication. If everyone is sharing the same article, then why shouldn’t there be away to just see it once automatically? Why can’t they see all comments from all federated instances in a single common link? Why do they have to do all this extra work just to get a simplified feed?
If so it’s all fairly intuitive. I’ve not heard anyone say otherwise until now either so I think this is just a personal issue.
Again, this is a UX design issue. What works from your perspective or sample size of users may not reflect the larger target audience.
I’ve not seen any NSFW comment on Lemmy period.
Your instance may not be federated with instances like Lemmynsfw. By default NSFW content is shown on Lemmy.world (at least if you’re logged in). Yes, you are able to filter it out, but it’s something you need to do yourself. I’m not saying having the content is bad, but it should be hidden by default from people’s feeds.
What works from your perspective or sample size of users may not reflect the larger target audience.
The inverse is also true, and what you’re saying is indicative of a personal issue on your behalf as stated.
learn this thing over all the other things they can learn with their limited time in the day?
Because they want to use it? What?
It sounds like you haven’t had much exposure with respect to UX design (which is understandable, it’s still a growing field).
I’ve taken UI design and UX classes at uni like probably most people here, thank you very much Mr. Expert man and we all know what a fucking target audience is.
What is considered simple or easy to understand for an engineer can be interpreted extremely differently by the target user. To get the right approach, options need testing and evaluation, and the design engineers need understanding and humility when they go back to the drawing board.
Generic statements of no substance. We all know what UX is lol.
The base browser UI feels dated
That’s a totally subjective statement.
maybe a step up from a wireframe design.
Modern
More subjective nonsense. You don’t actually know even a layman’s basic gist of UX so you could parrot something half-way intelligent, yet you speak on it like an authority.
You want to criticize then give specifics - too many clicks? Too many buttons on any screen? Confusing flow somewhere? Jesus Christ at least watch some breakdowns of UIs online.
This is UX friction. Why should someone need to set this up to get rid of duplication.
This is nonsense. Reposts are just how the internet is and I get duplication on my Instagram feed due to them all the same.
then why shouldn’t there be away to just see it once automatically
Because there isn’t anywhere else either. Have you even ever used social media?
You just seethe and seethe because you can’t read or are choosing to respond to a strawman of some Ignoramus you conjured in your head when the plain naked truth is you are wrong and you can’t accept that.
People gravitate towards the social media their friends and family are on.
Which has nothing to do with
The corporate sites make it very simple. 1 corporation, 1 server, an email, a password, and you’re good to go.
That’s just a non-sequitur from the family/friends thing. Plus having the email already makes it 2 servers, 2 corporations etc.
Your instance may not be federated with instances like Lemmynsfw
Yes it is but you have to browse those instances and sub to them to get it in your feed.
You wrote a lot of words but said absolutely nill, it is the very antithesis of meaning and sense, worthy of my time only as an impressionist’s abstract portrayal of AI slop. Blocked.
It’s not about “minor discomfort.” The Fediverse has too much UX friction for someone that isn’t in tech/used to a product that isn’t mature in features or content. Even if they are fine with that, they need to spend time to figure out what server(s) to trust, or at least an organization they can sue if things go wrong.
Ranting about “normies” instead of listening and understanding what their needs and concerns are is not conducive to growth, but it’ll certainly help it decay.
Exactly. Most Fediverse fans always go on a rant about “corporations”, “enshittification”, whatever, when they don’t understand that not everyone will take/have time to learn about these things. Not everything is simple as in just click a big “download” button or “create account”. It’s those new extra steps that confuse those people, some who are of old age, or never saw a desktop computer before. It needs actual designers. Same thing with other FOSS projects.
Nah, if the masses wish to be damned I say let them.
Make up your mind fellas. Do you guys want more people to join or not?
People on Lemmy are not all one person or a hivemind, so that depends on who you ask.
Personally I wouldn’t mind it if those people’s values aligned with the values of the fediverse, I think it would be beneficial to us and to them (in getting them off corporate social media and reducing corporate influence in society), but if their values do not align with ours it will only ruin what we have here and potentially just make Lemmy another corporate centralised social media, reducing or removing outright any wider societal benefit in my opinion.
It’s not that serious lol, just a lighthearted joke. I just found it funny that you and the people earlier in comment thread had opposing views.
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No, no. It’s definitely about “getting fucked” as SnotFlickerman succinctly put it. It’s just users getting ravaged by corporations so hard they don’t
noticecare—or something.and when they do figure out the unintuitive UX, they’re met with an avalanche of reply guys and, if they’re Black, a fuckload of overt and covert racism that everyone else will ignore…
there’s a reason why most people on the fedi are white men in tech
only the queer community seems to have managed to carve itself a place on the fedi, and even it has big issues of rampant racism
Reply guys?
basically, someone online (usually a man) who replies to another person (usually a woman) in a condescending tone, or giving unsolicited advice, that sorta stuff
I’ve seen this term on Mastadon. I’m actually confused by it a bit, since I’ve always thought replies are to be expected on the Internet.
I think women have a problem with men following them and replying in an overly familiar manner, or mansplaining, or something like that. I’m old, used to forums, and never used Twitter, so I may be missing some sort of etiquette that developed there. I generally don’t reply at all on Mastadon because of this, and really, I’m not sure what Mastadon or microblogging is for. Seems to be for developing personal brands, and for creators of content to inform followers of what they created. Seems not to be for discussion. I.e. more like RSS than Reddit (that’s my understanding at least).
Both digital and real world spaces benefit from diversity.
But, but eMAil!!!1!!!
Lemmevangelists really like the email analogy because they think literally anyone knows or cares how email works. 99% of people lose you the moment you say the word “protocol”
The vast majority of email address domains aren’t chosen, they come from your ISP, Cell phone/computer OS manufacturer, or employer/school. That’s the opposite of the fedeverse account creation process.
What is this? The 90’s?
What UX friction? Lack of Taylor swift on the platform? Delusional.
Existence of snobs.
And yes, lack of recognizable people on the platform. Why tf should I follow some randos?
Bluesky has Susie Dent😍
“following people”, including whoever “Susie Dent” is, is fundamentally an incompatible concept with a forum structure of Lemmy or the “thousand niche spaces” culture of Mastodon.
I would go one step further and say all celebrity culture is fundamentally incompatible with decentralisation of power as a principle when put into practice architecturally and ideologically
Understanding what the Fediverse is. This is time people can use for other things.
Finding a server that you can reasonably trust and is relatively troll free. This is time people can use for other things.
The default UI is ugly, and I can’t easily share a Photon UI link with friends from my phone.
Having the same content appear across multiple servers and there’s no way to just have 1 common thread/linkage to it. Some things start to feel spammy and drown out other items.
The link sort system has too many options and some are not intuitively named. Yes, I can look at the wiki, but you’re making me look at a wiki.
NSFW content default on. Not exactly a winning option if you’re trying to get new folks to join.
It’s a good thing. Understanding things you use is a good thing. Knowing things is a good thing.
They shouldn’t. Understanding what you’re using is the absolute bare minimum and I think it’s absurd to consider this a UX friction, when the same cannot be said for e.g. someone who makes the decision to buy a car or a bike or a plane or a gun or a computer or a phone, all require some skill and some knowledge to operate.
Just like finding a social media of choice today? It also doesn’t really matter, Lemmy instances aren’t Discord “servers”.
What’s wrong with it? I think it looks really cool actually. It’s clean, simple, and the colour scheme and it’s use is great. I’ve honestly no idea what “photon UI” is. After I signed up, I only browse Lemmy on my phone via Jerboa.
That’s an issue of sorting and subscribing. Unsub to duplicate communities and change filter to something like “Scaled”.
Huh? Do you mean the sort in the feed? If so it’s all fairly intuitive. I’ve not heard anyone say otherwise until now either so I think this is just a personal issue.
I’ve not seen any NSFW comment on Lemmy period. I think if you don’t seek it out it’s not there. On the other hand - I think previously NSFW content was actually a large pull to sites like Twitter and Instagram, and lack thereof caused an exodus of users from sites like Tumblr. I’ve also anecdotally heard from some IRL friends’ (men especially) that they got into Reddit as a porn site, then branched out to become more active users overall, so this may be less of a hurdle than it first appears.
Totally, but why should someone learn this thing over all the other things they can learn with their limited time in the day? Everyone has different priorities in life, and I’d expect this would rank very low for many people.
It sounds like you haven’t had much exposure with respect to UX design (which is understandable, it’s still a growing field). A key thing to consider is knowing your target user base. If Lemmy is meant exclusively for those that are fans of FOSS or are in the IT field, then it’s probably doing ok. If Lemmy is meant to be something for anyone to use, then it’s got a long way to go to meet the needs of the general population. What is considered simple or easy to understand for an engineer can be interpreted extremely differently by the target user. To get the right approach, options need testing and evaluation, and the design engineers need understanding and humility when they go back to the drawing board.
People gravitate towards the social media their friends and family are on. The corporate sites make it very simple. 1 corporation, 1 server, an email, a password, and you’re good to go.
The base browser UI feels dated and maybe a step up from a wireframe design. I’m on Lemmy.world, so they offer a view different variants that look like a modern UI (like Photon and Alexandrite). It’s nice because they’re available on desktop and mobile browsers, but they don’t always work, My friends don’t use Lemmy, so I generally just send the base link from my Lemmy app of choice. They’ve learned to deal with it, but I doubt they’ll be joining the Fediverse anytime soon.
This is UX friction. Why should someone need to set this up to get rid of duplication. If everyone is sharing the same article, then why shouldn’t there be away to just see it once automatically? Why can’t they see all comments from all federated instances in a single common link? Why do they have to do all this extra work just to get a simplified feed?
Again, this is a UX design issue. What works from your perspective or sample size of users may not reflect the larger target audience.
Your instance may not be federated with instances like Lemmynsfw. By default NSFW content is shown on Lemmy.world (at least if you’re logged in). Yes, you are able to filter it out, but it’s something you need to do yourself. I’m not saying having the content is bad, but it should be hidden by default from people’s feeds.
The inverse is also true, and what you’re saying is indicative of a personal issue on your behalf as stated.
Because they want to use it? What?
I’ve taken UI design and UX classes at uni like probably most people here, thank you very much Mr. Expert man and we all know what a fucking target audience is.
Generic statements of no substance. We all know what UX is lol.
That’s a totally subjective statement.
More subjective nonsense. You don’t actually know even a layman’s basic gist of UX so you could parrot something half-way intelligent, yet you speak on it like an authority.
You want to criticize then give specifics - too many clicks? Too many buttons on any screen? Confusing flow somewhere? Jesus Christ at least watch some breakdowns of UIs online.
This is nonsense. Reposts are just how the internet is and I get duplication on my Instagram feed due to them all the same.
Because there isn’t anywhere else either. Have you even ever used social media?
You just seethe and seethe because you can’t read or are choosing to respond to a strawman of some Ignoramus you conjured in your head when the plain naked truth is you are wrong and you can’t accept that.
Which has nothing to do with
That’s just a non-sequitur from the family/friends thing. Plus having the email already makes it 2 servers, 2 corporations etc.
Yes it is but you have to browse those instances and sub to them to get it in your feed.
You wrote a lot of words but said absolutely nill, it is the very antithesis of meaning and sense, worthy of my time only as an impressionist’s abstract portrayal of AI slop. Blocked.