https://www.cdc.gov/reproductive-health/data-statistics/abortion-surveillance-findings-reports.html for the abortion numbers.
Oh look another disgusting take on reducing women to bargaining chips while also neglecting to acknowledge that infant mortality is on the rise.
y’all are really doing a lot to further the divide between parties in the US by playing these ridiculous characters.
Truly disgusting that you think any women dying is acceptable, let alone a “damn good trade”.
But you’re okay with dead babies?
You literally posted a link to a story about a woman who was hoping to see her pregnancy through to the end. This woman didn’t want an abortion but I guarantee you she wanted to live. And here you are celebrating her death. That’s disgusting.
I bet you and I agree on a lot of things and about wanting to see less abortions. I think the answer is pretty easy. Better access to sex education. More access to contraceptives and family planning. And laws that don’t punish doctors for saving the lives of their patients.
We’re not celebrating her death. We’re celebrating the massive statistical success of the abortion laws.
I honestly just saw the article, went “just 3”? And posted it here. Turns out, abortion largely isn’t about saving lives, it’s using it as a psychopathic birth control.
A damn good trade if you ask me.
What do you call this, praise? It’s certainly not respect.
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Let me rephrase my previous post so I don’t offend the person calling the preventable deaths of the women “a good trade”.
You are being ignorant if you believe an abortion ban actually prevents all abortions from happening.
You are being ignorant if you think putting doctors in jail for trying to save their patients lives is a sustainable practice. Every time abortion laws regress, medical professionals leave the state and mortality rates increase.
You are being callous to people who maybe you consider to be strangers or worthless people because they sought to have an abortion. But I think you would be singing a different tune if it was your partner, your sister, your mother, who had a miscarriage while the doctors stood by and said, “here take this pill and pray god saves you, because I’m not legally allowed to help you anymore.”
For the record, I support abortion rights. It does make me a public outlier in the conservative community. In private, many conservatives support abortion rights. We can tell by when it goes up for a vote, even in red states, it wins by a larger majority than just if the Democrats voted for it.
I thought this would be the issue that caused the Republicans to lose the election, and I was shocked when it didn’t.
Congress, over the last 50 years, could have created a law to protect abortion rights, but they didn’t. That is where the angst should be with Congress for failing to do their job.
Apparently 50,000 people a year did use abortion as birth control.
Birth control isn’t 100% effective and not all pregnancies are viable, nevermind desirable. Texas doesn’t even allow abortions in case of rape you fucking ghoul.
So because someone raped someone, a completely innocent person should die? That’s your logic?
Ironic.
Probably good that nobody asks you
Why are you in this com?
To fight against your misleading propaganda.
Do these children live in happy, healthy homes?
…or are they resented every day by their parents that were forced to have them, slowly building up childhood trauma that, by all studies on the topic, will never be resolved and will always plague them?
…or are they forced into the already-overburdened foster system, where children are regularly abused and neglected? Oh, and just to be clear, you’re aware that Texas has among the most crowded systems in the country, right?
Ohhhh sorry, I forgot you’re all just pro-birth instead of pro-life.
So, what, kill everyone who can’t live in a healthy home?
This mindset is insane and it’s so weird that people who hold it act like they have the moral high ground or something.
I’m pretty sure he’s advocating for eugenics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
(…) set of beliefs and practices that aim to improve the genetic quality of a human population.
Does that definition appear to fit what you just read in that other comment ?
Do you not understand why eugenics is bad? You know what, here, this article does a better job of explaining it than I ever could. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1129063/ And for good measure, a reddit post too, why not? https://www.reddit.com/r/philosophy/comments/mhk16/why_is_eugenics_wrong/
Thanks for the documentation, it’s always appreciated. Now you can try rereading my comment
IDK if eugenics is the word for it but he’s certainly advocating for…something interesting
They’re indirectly advocating for classism and suggesting that the “undesirables” aren’t worthy of life, and/or can’t attain personal or economic value.
It’s really fucking weird when you think about it. Like, pick a lane.
It’s weird, to be sure, and maybe I’m being pedantic, but genocide refers specifically to genetics and that doesn’t seem to be why most of the people here support abortion. Pro-abortion arguments are usually ageist or ableist rather than genocidal.
Heinous to use someone’s tragic image and story beside your headline.
Also, “just” 3 deaths we know of. If you have read literally anything about abortions pre-Roe, I guarantee you that you’re potentially missing at least one and maybe 2 zeros behind that. This also doesn’t account for women who have been irreversibly harmed from attempting to access or perform off-the-books abortion care, or those who have to carry to term a child when pregnancy might harm them.
Also, “only” 3 deaths is still a tragedy. Those people had families. They had friends, coworkers, and lives. At least one of them was literally still a child. Trying to play a numbers game between people dead because of a law and the number of “babies saved” is ghoulish behavior.
So by your hypothetical count with zero support behind it, you could only come up with 300 dead potentially in the absolute worst case scenario vs 50,000 saved. So 49700 lives net.
Why do you want to kill babies? Are you just an evil person?
Let me turn that around: why are you OK with letting an 18 year old bleed to death, painfully, from what is an absolutely treatable condition because nobody would perform care that was too legally close to an abortion? Why are you OK with women dying and being harmed irreparably?
And on the subject, why are YOU ok with killing babies?
255 more deaths. Compared to 50,000 babies saved, I’d take it.
Why do you think 255 babies should be saved over 50,000 babies?
Where are you getting that 50k number from? Is it based on the number of abortions performed in 2021? You don’t, perhaps, think that women might be getting abortions out of state, or relying on better birth control methods, or are resorting to smuggling in Plan B? You think it’s really a 1-to-1?
Birth control is not murder.
I’m sure there’s probably been a couple out of state abortions, but they’d have to drive for 16 hours for it. It’s banned in Louisiana and Oklahoma. Arkansas only allows it in emergencies. So you’re talking about a hell of a drive and getting a hotel for a night or two. If you can’t be bothered with a pill, are you really going to be bothered to road trip?
Birth control and abortion are 1:1 comparisons when we’re talking about nonviable pregnancies and fetuses that were raped into someone. Either they’re both murder or neither one is, you don’t get to pick and choose your morals just because you choose not to understand the ACTUAL ramifications.
Do you think folks who don’t want kids just magically turn into good parents when they’re forced to keep them? What do you think happens to all these babies that are being “saved”? You know that places that restrict abortion have higher teenage pregnancy right? And anywhere with higher teenage pregnancy also trends toward higher poverty, crime, untimely death, lower education, etc.
What’s your end game? Where do you think this goes?
My end game is less baby murder, and guess what happened? Less baby murder! Mission accomplished.
How are you so evil that you’re advocating for baby murder?
I can’t wait for a portion of these 50k babies to be blamed for increase in crime, drug use and poverty.
Anything to justify murdering them I guess
Do you support the death penalty, or are you too thick to understand the difference between murder and abortion?
I do, I just don’t pretend that fetuses do anything worthy of being put to death.
Edit: bonkers response lol, these are like the worst abortion arguments I’ve heard in my life. If y’all are gonna advocate for murdering babies at least be better at it lollllllll
How many foster kids have you taken in? How many unwanted children have you adopted?
“Oh really, you hate the Nazis? How many Jews have you taken in to live with you?”
really tripling down on not understanding the situation
…that is not the gotcha you think it is… in fact you just made their point for them with that comment.
Sure buddy
And all of those babies are in loving caring homes that can afford to take care of them? None of the families were forced to keep them?
I hear your argument, but I also wonder what percentage of people think back and say, “My childhood wasn’t ideal, I wish I had never been born at all.”
A lot. Childhood trauma, more often than not, never goes away.
TBF yeah we don’t hear those people complain because they just kill themselves. But even then, they should be given that choice rather than being murdered before birth.
Wow! I’m honestly surprised to hear that so many lives are being saved to quickly. This is wonderful news!
