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Apparently the head mod of /r/Tumblr has already been forcibly demodded. A bit weird that Tumblr of all places has been the starting point.
The real question I think is will Reddit retaliate back and forcibly recover communities and install new mods?
It’s already started.
It makes sense from their perspective but still kinda shitty.
And I’m sure the new mods being installed will have an even stronger alignment with Reddit’s philosophy and direction which will only make life in that place more hellish.
I’m glad I jumped ship when I did.
If they tried to hire enough mods to do a quality job of it they’d be bankrupt by the end of the year. I don’t know if they’ll have enough capable volunteers for a significant fraction of the subreddits.
Do you have any source or details? Would love to read about it.
Removed by an admin or another mod? There aren’t really enough details in that story to know exactly what happened. It also seems strange that it says the sub went public briefly and then back to private. That doesn’t really sound like an admin forcibly stopping the blackout.
I feel like subs being forced public is a real possibility as things continue on, but I’m not sure this is a good example of that.
Also /r/adviceanimals, we’ll see which others
I predicted this but kind of surprised that it happened so fast. I’m guessing this mod won’t allow anything critical of spez.
I predicted forcible demods…
But like, I feel like the one thing that would work is the one thing no one has been talking about.
A mod strike!
Maybe it has been suppressed because it would seem too radical but like, if the communities are going to die anyways might as well go out with a bang. Mods should all go on strike and spammers can run free and burn the site to the ground. That’s basically what happened with Twitter, right? Has Spez seen what has happened to the valuation of Twitter this past year or what?
I went on Reddit during the blackout and on the front page there were shitty tattoos of bdsm furries with their dick and balls out… If the front page could all turn into that and the enforcement of NSFW tags was lost due to lack of mods, I can’t imagine that the shareholders would be happy about what the site has become.
Mod + user direct action - everyone should post spacedicks/porn and mods should refuse to enforce the rules. Reddit wants to destroy the mods? Then reddit should see what a world without mods on the internet actually looks like… Especially before the IPO. Plus, the internet can get VERY active when it comes to participating in mischief instead of watching things slowly fall apart. I’d upvote spacedicks for the cause.
I have no idea why no one is talking about this unless posts/comments like that are being suppressed. Since it seems like most 3rd party apps have the best mod tools and most mods won’t keep up their work if they don’t have the right tools, the end result will be the same anyways.
Edit: they can’t afford to pay people to replace enough mods. Spez deserves a look at what reddit will become BEFORE the IPO in my opinion.
Mods are basically the slave labour that make Reddit profitable and allows for its existence.
The exploit is taking superuser’s hobby or specialty and getting them to work 24/7 in an permanent unpaid internship position that doesn’t run counter to labour laws.
No one wants to upset that tenuous (and likely quasi-illegal) system of exploitation by empowering the mods to know that they can make changes by organising or going on strike.
Neither Reddit executives nor the protesting app developers and other API data users have the actual interests of reddit superusers at heart.
Reddit wants to destroy the mods? Then reddit should see what a world without mods on the internet actually looks like… Especially before the IPO
To be fair… reddit was originally designed to be self-moderated by the users… and it use to work really well. It would be a miracle if they moved back to that model and I would no doubt switch back to them from lemmy if they did. Those were the hey days of reddit and the internet as a whole.
Imagine how differently this would have played out if Reddit CEO Steve Huffman had taken a collaborative approach with app developers and stake holders. A few months ago, he could have called them up and humbly asked them for ideas and assistance in making Reddit profitable. Reddit would be on path to financial success by now.
I don’t think it’s wrong for Spez to charge for API access, but the rates he’s vowing to charge are excessive and clearly designed to nuke third-party apps from their ecosystem.
As for how I’d make money from Reddit in his shoes, I’d:
- Add more features for Reddit Premium, like being able to view more than 1,000 items on the front page, video uploads in comments, or enhanced search functionality.
- Add OnlyFans-style subscriptions or revenue sharing for partnered subreddits/users, with a 90% to 10% cut between content creators and Reddit.
- Bring back RPAN as a full time streaming platform to compete with the likes of Twitch/Kick.
Twitch is hardly a profit center, streaming isn’t where you’d go to boost profits.
It’s a corporate us vs them mentality. I don’t think Steve would even ask his own employees for help - the people who are on the ground running the company. The internal memo strongly indicates that Reddit doesn’t have a two-way communication channel with leadership.
It’s a shame, because refusing to take feedback is what ends up sinking most companies.
It was truly unexpected to see how large social networks find new and innovative ways to ride and accelerate their downfall.
From my perspective:
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Facebook --> Cambridge Analytica fiasco
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Twitter --> Elon was bluffing but Twitters Legal team forced him to proceed otherwise the SEC was already looking for blood and an excuse to make his life very difficult for all his previous shenanigans
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Reddit --> already downhill since just before Ellen Pao nonetheless may I speculate that perhaps one or more of the larger shareholders/investors forced the current situation but Huffman underestimated and did not realize that the power users and pro bono moderators were entirely dependent on third-party apps.
Moreover, I exclusively used reddit through old.reddit.com I have no idea how current Reddit actually looks like nor do I care as it was unusable.
Sad to see great things go but life continues onward.
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Always felt that the way redditors treated Ellen Pao was horrendous. That place is a cesspit
https://nextshark.com/ellen-pao-reddit-dacvak-ama You sure about that?
It’s inevitable, honestly. All things end.
At least we got to see a REMARKABLE flame-out of a once incredibly popular website. I thought Digg was wild, this is something else entirely.
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And reddit still don’t give a shit. Just shows how much they care about the community.
I honestly don’t care whether or not reddit (the company) gives a shit. I just want users to realize that reddit deserves to be replaced by something more open and user focused.
Im surprised they havent just performed takovers of the private subreddits and installed new mods.
Maybe they have but are doing it at a slow pacing, either because its manual or because it may attract less attention.
They have. I assume you haven’t seen the r/adviceanimals post yet?
I haven’t. But now I’ve seen a couple. I believe they did /r/tumbler or something dirty too.
It’s a shame. Totally antithetical to their culture they (Reddit) started and grew with as a freedom of speech platform.
They’ve been running away from their culture of free speech since 2008. The only direction they have ever moved has been in the opposite direction.
I expect most of the “popular” subs (like the one you mentioned) aren’t ones I have ever been aware of or cared to be aware of.
I wasn’t aware either, but it was mentioned on Lemmy somewhere
Stuff’s already starting to go back to public, I expect nothing to change.
I mean it seems like only a couple thousand went public, the site is still very much noticeably short on content.
Lemmy is growing but we need to work to make easy to allow reddit mods to setup instances and fund them
I am a Reddit mod. Gimme the step-by-step tutorial! There are certain subs that I want to see reproduced ASAP, like /r/LifeProTips and more!
Maybe pick an existing one and help it get off the ground:
- [email protected] (direct link) this one seems like it’s newly set up by a community squatter, but you might have luck approaching them
- [email protected] (direct link) - this one is older but was inactive for a long time before the recent migration so idk if the mod is active
But we’re now splitting away from lemmy.world, right? Or how does this federation stuff work?
If you’re interested, I’d recommend posting in the older one, then requesting it on [email protected]
Be mildly competent at computers… or know someone who is and willing to help you.
Either setup your own instance, or find an instance that’s already setup that you like and the owner will let you add stuff to the database…
Start a community…
Read here… https://github.com/rileynull/RedditLemmyImporter
Success! now you’ve migrated your subreddit to lemmy!
(This is a little sarcastic. I’m not good at legit guides. But it is possible!)
Edit: tweaked phrasing… doing this to general public servers would be unlikely.
Just wanted to add that not all instances are allowing new community creation, including Beehaw.
Yeah, there’s an edit. Seems not to have propagated back to beehaw. yay for beta!
Well, that is an interesting script. I wonder how many will come across? Maybe they will pull the top 20% or something.
Well, on Beehaw you cannot create new communities, but you certainly can be made a mod of one even from another instance. Find the ones you want and ask the current mods of it.
Why can’t we create communities on here? Do the Beehaw admins specifically restrict this? Thanks, by the way.
We’ve outlined the rationale in this thread: https://beehaw.org/post/140733
The tl;dr is that having many communities make it difficult to govern and ensure a safe space exists for the overall community and having too many can result in highly fragmented discussions that would be a challenge to grow and nurture.
It’s not that we don’t permit new communities, but more towards we moderate their creation based off the communities interests.
I haven’t found many moderator features on Lemmy so far. The community that I created does not seem to have any way of blocking posts.
You should be able to, here’s the mod docs
Thanks!
As much as I do hope this helps, I’m afraid it won’t change a thing: Like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well." -Spez. Seem they will ride out this storm. This have to be permanent to make any changes at Reddit.
But not for me. I’m forever gone.
And if there are enough power users (lots of comments, posts) like me who feel the same, it will have an impact.
There’s a HUGE middle ground between “nothing changes” and “reddit goes out of business.” As we see with Twitter, you can have a zombie platform that persists but slowly loses inertia month after month.
It’s not that Reddit dies abruptly. It’s that the platform is wounded now and, without attention, will bleed out slowly over many years.
At a communications conference last week, a Bloomberg reporter told the attendees that most tier 1 journalists are looking for stories on LinkedIn now instead of Twitter. It’s gone from vital to junk in just a few months. Without its moderators, Reddit faces the same fate: lots of activity, but most of it junk.
Its not the loss of moderators, its the loss of content. If reddit hadn’t changed their original self moderation model this couldn’t happen. Or at least, not like this.
Moderators are not responsible for making content, they just moderate a sub where others create content. Originally users moderated content on their own.
Pretty funny how reddit’s move to authoritarianism has worked against them this time.
My goal is to hurt Reddit’s IPO to prevent a capitalisation on the platforms recent string of real world impacts, such as the Game Stop short squeeze and the intelligence leak that happened on a Discord server.
I don’t care if Reddit’s CEO caves in, just so long as Reddit doesn’t get the large influx of capital to prevent the corporation from achieving any larger impact like Twitter and Facebook did in their respective times.
The secondary marketplace to sell your Reddit accounts to bot farmers is very active, accounts are being bought at upwards of $200.
https://www.upvotes.io/sell-your-reddit-account/
The social bots work just fine inside reddit’s Infrastructure without 3rd party apps and/or API data.
Reddit is going to be just another Twitter for the 2024 US election, where the conversation is managed and directed by bots, but pro-democracy based. When that becomes known Wall Street will act accordingly and Reddit won’t be worth much…
$200? Is that all?
Maybe Spez is right (obligatory fuck /u/spez comment), but this blowout also brought Lemmy and other similar sites to the limelight. We’re on the stage where we early adopters are testing the waters, it’s just a matter of time until a new competitor stands above the others and Spez’s Reddit irónico s going to have to eat those words.
a lot of people back on Reddit could not give less of a shit about the issues and just want their content; they even see this as just mods powertripping again
it’s kind of annoying to see that, tbh, even if I sort of get it
A look at their comment histories might be interesting, to see if they’re the ones contributing content worth reading.
I suspect I can guess the answer.
they could easily have their cake and eat it too by signing up to lemmy. There are a lot of instances out there and they could make their own if none fit.
but that’s not immediate and requires some work and effort (to figure out how federation works, to figure out how Lemmy works, to learn how to create an instance and to make one, to start over with an entirely new community); many on Reddit want the easiest path to get their content
which again, understandable, but still annoying to see
it’s kind of annoying to see that
Why would that be annoying? It means the strike is working, it does exactly what it is meant to do. If the consumers don’t find content, they will ultimately move elsewhere
Damn, the apathy is strong but I do get it. After all, Reddit was mostly a place for me to deflate and relax or just read things during downtime.
I haven’t seen that. Everyone seems to be rather upset about Apollo, RIF, Relay, etc. The only person I’ve seen suggesting power tripping mods is u/spez.
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Keep in mind that Reddit is running a propaganda campaign to try to squash the blackout. Notice most of the comments are almost exactly the same. As we saw with Trump, all it takes is a few well placed comments to stir up dissent and get people to parrot dumb talking points. Reddit can easily manipulate votes and comments to make it look like most people don’t care, but obviously they do, because there was the biggest blackout I’ve seen on a social media platform ever.
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Reddit’s CEO said he expects this blowup will pass eventually.
This was precisely the wrong thing for him to say if he wanted that to happen
He expects so because he’s going to have his admin staff de-mod all the rebels, open the subs back up, and ruthlessly ban anyone who says a word about the controversy. The user population that remains will eventually go back to sleep, and all will be well in Reddit-land.
Lol good luck finding new mods that will be any good after pulling a stunt like that. They certainly aren’t going to pay for any either.
The News and Worldnews subreddits prove there are people still willing to lick Spez’s boots.
They never shut down, along with a few other biggies. TiL just reopened.
This. There will always be people attracted to power, even power as ultimately meaningless as being a reddit mod. Spez will enlist a new squad of wanna-be petty tyrants.
Seriously. Talk about poking the bear, he got me pissed all over again. Never going back to reddit now.
That’s because spazzy spez didn’t think his internal memo would leak.
Nah I think it’s clear he wanted it to leak. He’s just an egomaniac who thinks he’s actually a good leader. That section of the memo was for investor confidence. (It’ll pass, no revenue effect so far, etc.) The other part about warning employees not to wear Reddit gear in public for fear of violence was meant for the press and for the uninformed, to try to garner sympathy and paint the protestors as bad actors.
Obvious tactic, paint the other side as violent and you’ll get sympathy. Won’t someone please think of the corporation.
Make no mistake, spez would love to see someone in a reddit tshirt beat up on the street. He’d be able to plaster that everywhere he could showing how sad his side is
A false flag is a typical right wing move. I can picture spez doing it. He should pick some kid name Aaron just to make it that much more spiteful.
I dislike u/spez as much as the next guy, but man, that’s dark.
I mean there is a lot of money riding on this. I’ve seen people getting killed for 3 grand.
It’s working, too. The Forbes article which I saw posted either here or on Kbin didn’t even push back on Huffman’s claim that traffic from LLMs was the reason for the price hike, and I haven’t seen any big publication use the audio or transcripts showing a slam-dunk case of slander (or libel, whichever one applies to text) against the Apollo developer.
The problem with the libel/slander is unless it falls into a few categories of what’s called per se defamation, you’re required to prove damages. (From the libel’s/slander’s damage to your reputation, not from something like Reddit’s API change destroying his business.)
The other part about warning employees not to wear Reddit gear in public for fear of violence was meant for the press and for the uninformed, to try to garner sympathy and paint the protestors as bad actors.
Glad people aren’t blind to this obvious ploy. When LGBT violence is at an all time high I don’t think you need to be worried about wearing a reddit shirt.
I mean, the charitable read is the CEO of the company reassuring the entire company that they’ll be OK. That’s his entire job. Yes, it’s a pretty crappy thing to say but we all weren’t the intended audience. He’s there to rally the troops and keep morale up.
That said, fuck u/spez and I’m way happier over here than there.
That’s why I’m not sure that letter was intentionally leaked. He said all the wrong things for de-escalating this situation, he just added more fuel to the fire.
correct.
It will not pass until it is made right.
I hope the struggle continues until Reddit feels the pain to their bottom line.
It wont. They are going to step in.
Who cares? We’re here now, the only thing we should hope it’s that the good content creators move from reddit to here, aside from that, they may do what they want with the site from here on.
Cool that sites are reporting on it. Maybe that’ll add pressure.
Well, despite the difficulties translating to Federated platforms, I will certainly be working on alternative social platforms.
I no longer use Quora or Facebook…
I unsubscribed my ‘YouTube’ channels and added them as RSS feeds, so there’s no need for me to be signed in there to consume content from creators I follow.
I hope that a month or two with the Fediverse will allow me to understand it better. I’m sure that many Fediverse users will also remain on Reddit and be able to advise folks on what to do.
If anyone on, for example, r/firefox announced activity over here, I’d follow them here. So whatever the ‘bots’ say, I know what’s occurring in my corner.
Was Quora ever good?
Whomever said there are no stupid questions, has never visited Quora.
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Was that Quora as well? I thought that’s only StackOverflow :c
But yes, I very much hope that the ethos of beehaw makes for “programming question” communities that are as useful as StackOverflow while not being so rude.
I realised after a while that Quora is full of dumb question askers and question answerers wanting to sound smart. I earnt $5 from it though so can’t complain
Can you elaborate further on the YouTube - RSS feeds? Seems like something I’d like to use too
RSS is one thing I have yet to dive into. There are videos that I want to watch and channels that I want to be subscribed to but I’m disliking the constant monitoring if activity online.
Cirfsnglh on travel with AirBNBs and the smart TVs with logins feels so weird knowing what others are up to, and I don’t feel comfortable adding my recents to their lists.
Inoreader works very nicely for me. I have quite a few folders set up… Stuff I had bookmarks for, but rarely visited lately…
- Digg Top Stories (43 unread) if I get bored - at least a dozen of those will keep me entertained.
Stuff from the ‘other’ place - useful fodder to consider ‘bridging’ or just ‘copy/pasting’ over in Fediverse :P
- Reddits (e.g. Dad Jokes)
- Fediverse (https://lemmy.world/c/dadjokes)
I added the Firefox extension, so if I visit Youtube - for example (open this in a PRIVATE window, not logged in) Insights from Ukraine and Russia then I can Easily add the RSS by searching in Inoreader.
Here’s Daily Dose of Internet
The beauty being that you can quickly go through all this stuff - great keyboard accessibility (90% covered with
Shift J-Kto go to the next/previous feed,Shift-Xto toggle expansion of the folder,J - Kto go (and mark read) the next/previous item (but you can ALWAYS view all articles in a thread)… all without visiting the sites.Feedly and Inoreader are both awesome - and you can (and should regularly) export a list of your feeds as a backup/migration strategy.
Feedly is great, use it for my private RSS stuff.
At work, on macos, I use rssbot - which isn’t an RSS reader but just an … uhm … rss linker? It doesn’t feature the capability to read content but just gives you a list of links to anything new. If that’s enough for you, it’s a great app.
I have never understood what RSS is or how to access it even after looking it up
Search for ‘Github ALLAboutRSS’ or visit https://github.com/AboutRSS/ALL-about-RSS
RSS is one of the oldest protocols existing. Basically it’s like a feed with links to things posted…
I’d suggest you start with Feedly or Inoreader, make an account and take a look.
For me, it means that I can see notifications (Inoreader) telling me how many unread items have occurred across the 79 websites I added as feeds.
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I have a folder for ‘Fediverse’ with feeds like Lemmy - ukraine (also Reddit’s r/ukraine).
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I have a ‘Linux’ folder, containing a few interesting blogs - like Niccolo’s KDE developer blog, a few news sites, plus announcements from my OS forum.
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I have a ‘News’ folder with various sources (one is a journalist I know with a Facebook page - as I don’t use Facebook).
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I have a ‘Video’ folder
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I have a ‘Time Waster’ folder which has things like Digg, WindowSwap, Drive & Listen
Basically, any time you make an account and request updates from a website, the same can be done with NO account and simply copying the RSS link.
It gives you updates on things you don’t need to bother bookmarking or opening to follow.
I’m still bitter about bloglines shutting down. I tried thisoldreader and inoreader but it never felt the same. Then I found reddit.
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wait, I’ve never used quora. whats bad about it
@soiling @BendyLemmy the quality of answers is low, you’re not missing out
It’s kind of famous for some stupidly bad questions & answers.
How is babby formed
That was Yahoo! Answers. Quroa is…a titch better.
Depends on context. Yahoo Answers was so bad it was a form of entertainment (unintentionally), especially with people curating the funny stuff so you never had to even set foot there.
Quora on the other hand just pays people to participate so you end up with people who don’t even have any questions they need to ask making up garbage, then people giving copy/pasted or even completely wrong answers to boost their reputation. The site also always pesters you to log in. It’s not even useful as a source of a good laugh.
Thanks for the A2A.
No, miles morales from Spider man tm into the spiderverse tm is not related to dipper pines from gravity falls
Stay curious Signing off Have a good one -username
Other than blocking you from browsing their site unless you join (or clear your cookies) you mean?
Reddit declined to comment
I am guessing their comment would be something like, “FUCK!!!”
Well now they have to take over the subs and get new moderators. They won’t just sit there and watch Reddit burn further.
For the 2 days private protest, their comment that it will be over soon was appropriate. As giving an exact time frame allows to know the exact end of it. They could just sit there and wait it out.
Now with the indefinite protest, they have to act. And to get to content onto Reddit again, they will probably be looking for new unpaid
strike breakersmods for those subs, so they don’t have to actually hire and pay people to moderate content on their soon publicly traded company website.Have subs continued to stay blacked out? I have not checked it out since the first day of it.
Yes. For instance, at this time, /r/nba is still blacked out even though the NBA season ended recently, and this week would’ve been its prime time.
Good for them!! Did they make a lemmy instance?
No, it would’ve been something along the lines of “A: We are evaluating it at this time for the best approach moving forward”
I guess Reddit has introduced free API calls for moderator apps. They’re trying to placate the mods, but screw the users. Good luck with that.
It’s almost like they never considered that moderators use the same third party apps as the rest of their users, either.
Though based on the leaked internal memo, it looks like Reddit doesn’t think very much of their users at all.
It turns out though, the mods are also users. That’s the whole free labor market Reddit has tapped into. They don’t have to pay mods and so users are mods. Yet now they are trying to monetize just half and completely failing to understand what their user base even looks like. I don’t know many mods but the ones I do know are users first and moderators because they want the community to be decent.
My problem with the “free API” is there are no control mechanisms for it. What’s to stop Reddit from discontinuing the free contract if they decide to develop their own specific use App? A creator or developer of any said App will be beholden to bend or subjugate themselves to the whims of Reddit admins, any controversial comments or events like that of Apollo could nullify the free API if they don’t approve of your actions.
It’s a slippery slope and we’ve already been shown that Reddit can and will change/vilify anyone who doesn’t fall in line especially when IPO time comes.
Also there alot of bots going around Reddit saying the protest is not working and all the subreddit mods are going to be easily replaced, with who I don’t know.
Well if only bots are talking, mods can be bots too. /r/SubredditSimulator will just take over the whole Reddit
Pretty much already there on some subs.
