And they do so for two reasons. The first, and most important, is because foreign labor is cheaper than domestic by far. The second, and arguably the most important for you and I, is because our education system sucks and can’t pump out nearly as many well-educated folks in those particular fields at nearly the rate of countries with free, subsidized, or even just cheap education.
So the problem is twofold. The first, rent is too expensive and Americans know it. The second, school is too expensive and Americans know it. Americans also know that we can’t actually fix those problems without something changing with how our political and economic systems operate, and that takes a revolution that nobody wants because they don’t want to fight and die for their right to be exploited by an employer in place of an immigrant.
Another lemmy user also pointed out the very different power dynamic between normal US workers and H1B workers (which I think is a more “saying the quiet part” than the cost to hire them being less). This is that a normal US worker losing their job (state dependent) could mean wrongful termination suits, compensation packages, and other worker benifits. H1B workers, termination means the runway to getting deported is now very short (because they are no longer working for their sponsor). Its extra leverage against the employee, meaning they can take advantage of them in ways that would make US workers take action against.
The likes of musk and co want workers who they have more leverage over. They can ask them to do more things against regulations, ethics or their own well being, because refusal to do so means they might as well start packing.
Yeah, it’s less about education than it is control from what I have first hand experience in. Generally a us college grad is going to be a better employee than a H1B visa, although I’m sure there are exceptions. However, a college grad isn’t beholden to an employer for their right to exist in this country. So a college grad is more likely to change jobs or push back on the employer for things like vacation time, pay, etc.
I’m not really sure if education is the keystone issue, though. It’s a big part of the arch, for sure, but it’s well documented that economic stress and resource scarcity can take even smart people and make them drop-dead stupid. There are plenty of well educated people who have been so filled with hate and fear that they’ll believe anything and hate anyone so long as it makes them feel like they’ll have some financial security.
Does the education of other countries include “critical thinking”, “propoganda identification”, or a mandatory “basic economics for the regular person so they can understand the concept of indirect benefit”? Do their existing courses even touch on those topics indirectly in ways that someone “who needs a little help” can learn enough to keep themselves safe? Not really, and that’s why we’re even seeing Germany basically make the same fucking mistake as before and it’s not even been 100 years yet.
People say this, but I’m not sold on it. They’d be gunning down their own families and friends. Maybe I’m naive, but if I were in the service I think I’d be clear on who I’m supposed to be defending from whom…
And they do so for two reasons. The first, and most important, is because foreign labor is cheaper than domestic by far. The second, and arguably the most important for you and I, is because our education system sucks and can’t pump out nearly as many well-educated folks in those particular fields at nearly the rate of countries with free, subsidized, or even just cheap education.
So the problem is twofold. The first, rent is too expensive and Americans know it. The second, school is too expensive and Americans know it. Americans also know that we can’t actually fix those problems without something changing with how our political and economic systems operate, and that takes a revolution that nobody wants because they don’t want to fight and die for their right to be exploited by an employer in place of an immigrant.
Another lemmy user also pointed out the very different power dynamic between normal US workers and H1B workers (which I think is a more “saying the quiet part” than the cost to hire them being less). This is that a normal US worker losing their job (state dependent) could mean wrongful termination suits, compensation packages, and other worker benifits. H1B workers, termination means the runway to getting deported is now very short (because they are no longer working for their sponsor). Its extra leverage against the employee, meaning they can take advantage of them in ways that would make US workers take action against.
The likes of musk and co want workers who they have more leverage over. They can ask them to do more things against regulations, ethics or their own well being, because refusal to do so means they might as well start packing.
Yeah, it’s less about education than it is control from what I have first hand experience in. Generally a us college grad is going to be a better employee than a H1B visa, although I’m sure there are exceptions. However, a college grad isn’t beholden to an employer for their right to exist in this country. So a college grad is more likely to change jobs or push back on the employer for things like vacation time, pay, etc.
I’m not really sure if education is the keystone issue, though. It’s a big part of the arch, for sure, but it’s well documented that economic stress and resource scarcity can take even smart people and make them drop-dead stupid. There are plenty of well educated people who have been so filled with hate and fear that they’ll believe anything and hate anyone so long as it makes them feel like they’ll have some financial security.
Does the education of other countries include “critical thinking”, “propoganda identification”, or a mandatory “basic economics for the regular person so they can understand the concept of indirect benefit”? Do their existing courses even touch on those topics indirectly in ways that someone “who needs a little help” can learn enough to keep themselves safe? Not really, and that’s why we’re even seeing Germany basically make the same fucking mistake as before and it’s not even been 100 years yet.
Ready to fight and die if it’s billionaires were hunting 🤚
Take a guess whose side the militarized police will be on.
People say this, but I’m not sold on it. They’d be gunning down their own families and friends. Maybe I’m naive, but if I were in the service I think I’d be clear on who I’m supposed to be defending from whom…
If you have any doubts, look at who police murder, and who actually spends time in prison when convicted. It’s not rich people.
Lol
Badge:=morally right
Opposing badge:=Morally wrong
Morally wrong:=ok to shoot
Pigs are pigs
This happens in other countries. What makes the US special?
We don’t need to guess, we saw when that CEO was murdered
Lol this is a terrible take. You cant actually be an engineer, right?