Just balkanize it, put comprador puppets in charge, stoke ethnic hatred to create intense ethnic violence and widespread atrocities, wreck the economy, loot everything of value, inflation 10,000% so that people’s life savings can’t buy a single meal, so that there’s widespread child prostitution leading to child abuse of the most deadly drugs, have all that devastate the country so much it has the largest peacetime drop in age expectancy in recorded human history, like they did USSR… And then bomb it to absolute rubble, like Libya, to bring “freedom and democracy”, so that no organised society can form for decades, so that the main economic activity are open-air slave markets, so that predictable storms and floods that the old government could easily deal with become events of apocalyptic proportions cause there’s nobody to organise a response… And then do what Israel has been doing in Gaza with full support of the UK.
You’re right of course. I just feel angry, powerless, and guilty.
What I do genuinely support though is this: Western imperialism must end. Capitalism must end. Environmental collapse and slave-like exploitation suffered by the Global South can’t be allowed to go on. But as capitalism falls more and more into the state of disrepair, the Global North slides deeper and deeper into fascism. They won’t let go of their parasitic position without a fight.
This means liberating oppressed nations, and oppressed classes, will require bloodshed, including “noncombatants” - whenever slaves revolt, some “peaceful” slave owners die.
How much death and destruction should be wreaked on imperialists? As little as possible of course, but that’s just another way of saying as much as it takes. So, if some form of what I described above is necessary for the rest of the world to finally be free of Western imperialism and capitalism, that’s very unfortunate but so be it.
I wish I could live in the pre-Gorbachev USSR, where I grew up. I wish I could live in a place where everyone lives in dignity and is free of fear over basic necessities, where people are taught internationalism and the country spends its resources to support liberation struggles around the world, provide free education to countless third world students so that they can go back and improve their homelands, rather than brain-drain poorer nations, and so on. But that’s all been destroyed and I’m an immigrant living in the UK, paying taxes that buy depleted uranium shells that will be used to shoot up the land I grew up in and poison it for decades to come, causing huge increase in birth defects, cancer rates, and so on.
Corbyn will launch a new left wing, class based political party this year, I’ll join it and bring in whatever small family I have here, in hopes he can end forever austerity and forever wars, take us out of NATO, liberate us from the US domination, support the liberation of Palestine, and so on. But looking at how Melenchon got couped by Macron and the Frenchies didn’t do their thing, I’m not too optimistic Corbyn will manage to achieve much more with Anglos… And if people don’t follow Corbyn en masse, fascists will take power because at this point liberal Western democracy has lost all credibility and neither Labour nor Tories can stop the rise of Reform UK.
And if Anglos choose fascism… I hope somebody liberates us at any cost. But I fear the opposite will happen and the UK will use its vast resources to cause orders of magnitude more suffering around the world than anything that could potentially happen to their tiny island.
I was going to say, they created an economic system that feeds on misery, but that’s just capitalism including the highest stage of it, imperialism, and they were the lead innovators of it. So I didn’t think of anything new lol.
Yeah, it’s one of those things that’s a genuine sentiment but when it came down to it, I would back down from it happening. It’s just that any time you see something shitty happening, the English have their hands in it. I.e. providing surveillance flights to Israel, more than the israelis themselves.
Just balkanize it, put comprador puppets in charge, stoke ethnic hatred to create intense ethnic violence and widespread atrocities, wreck the economy, loot everything of value, inflation 10,000% so that people’s life savings can’t buy a single meal, so that there’s widespread child prostitution leading to child abuse of the most deadly drugs, have all that devastate the country so much it has the largest peacetime drop in age expectancy in recorded human history, like they did USSR… And then bomb it to absolute rubble, like Libya, to bring “freedom and democracy”, so that no organised society can form for decades, so that the main economic activity are open-air slave markets, so that predictable storms and floods that the old government could easily deal with become events of apocalyptic proportions cause there’s nobody to organise a response… And then do what Israel has been doing in Gaza with full support of the UK.
As much as I like poetic justice, and I understand the sentiment, I can’t support this.
You’re right of course. I just feel angry, powerless, and guilty.
What I do genuinely support though is this: Western imperialism must end. Capitalism must end. Environmental collapse and slave-like exploitation suffered by the Global South can’t be allowed to go on. But as capitalism falls more and more into the state of disrepair, the Global North slides deeper and deeper into fascism. They won’t let go of their parasitic position without a fight.
This means liberating oppressed nations, and oppressed classes, will require bloodshed, including “noncombatants” - whenever slaves revolt, some “peaceful” slave owners die.
How much death and destruction should be wreaked on imperialists? As little as possible of course, but that’s just another way of saying as much as it takes. So, if some form of what I described above is necessary for the rest of the world to finally be free of Western imperialism and capitalism, that’s very unfortunate but so be it.
I wish I could live in the pre-Gorbachev USSR, where I grew up. I wish I could live in a place where everyone lives in dignity and is free of fear over basic necessities, where people are taught internationalism and the country spends its resources to support liberation struggles around the world, provide free education to countless third world students so that they can go back and improve their homelands, rather than brain-drain poorer nations, and so on. But that’s all been destroyed and I’m an immigrant living in the UK, paying taxes that buy depleted uranium shells that will be used to shoot up the land I grew up in and poison it for decades to come, causing huge increase in birth defects, cancer rates, and so on.
Corbyn will launch a new left wing, class based political party this year, I’ll join it and bring in whatever small family I have here, in hopes he can end forever austerity and forever wars, take us out of NATO, liberate us from the US domination, support the liberation of Palestine, and so on. But looking at how Melenchon got couped by Macron and the Frenchies didn’t do their thing, I’m not too optimistic Corbyn will manage to achieve much more with Anglos… And if people don’t follow Corbyn en masse, fascists will take power because at this point liberal Western democracy has lost all credibility and neither Labour nor Tories can stop the rise of Reform UK.
And if Anglos choose fascism… I hope somebody liberates us at any cost. But I fear the opposite will happen and the UK will use its vast resources to cause orders of magnitude more suffering around the world than anything that could potentially happen to their tiny island.
Sorry for the rant.
You have no reason to be sorry. And holy shit, you grew up in the USSR? I’d love to hear all about it. Even the little details, if you wish.
I feel alot of your same frustrations. I’m Amerikkkan though, and have never experienced socialism first hand. I’m hoping to move to China.
Comrades aside, they deserve all of this.
I was going to say, they created an economic system that feeds on misery, but that’s just capitalism including the highest stage of it, imperialism, and they were the lead innovators of it. So I didn’t think of anything new lol.
As much as I like poetic justice, and I understand the sentiment, I can’t support this.
Yeah, it’s one of those things that’s a genuine sentiment but when it came down to it, I would back down from it happening. It’s just that any time you see something shitty happening, the English have their hands in it. I.e. providing surveillance flights to Israel, more than the israelis themselves.