He isn’t asking directly. I’m going to be the devil’s advocate and say the guy is willingly taking the longer route to the girls favours, by putting her pleasure ahead of his.
the guy is willingly taking the longer route to the girls favours, by putting her pleasure ahead of his.
No he isn’t, he wants to give her head. That’s for his pleasure–he enjoys going down on women. Said women aren’t fucking obligated to agree just because he’s offering.
If they didn’t ask for it, and don’t want it, it’s not ‘giving’ the other person anything. This is how a lot of sexual assault works; the rapist tells the other person they’re enjoying it and does things like this, and then goes ‘well I did (whatever act) for them, so I’m the good guy here.’ This idea that performing oral/touching the other person/etc without direct stimulation back is entirely about the person receiving is false, has always been false, and will continue to be false. This is dangerous ground we’re on here, and we’re better than this.
Seriously, the opening words are I want. I don’t know how much more direct it would have to be here.
Funny enough, growing up I got tired of hearing women complain their husbands/boyfriends/partners/men in general would always prioritize their own pleasure and pressure to have their interests fullfilled in detriment of the womans needs and expectations.
The dude is actively offering to pleasure the girl. Yes, she is in all of her right to refuse him and his advances, but damn, he is trying to be a bit considerate.
He could just go straight to the point and say he wanted to jump in her pants and be a complete idiot in doing so.
Funny enough, growing up I got tired of hearing women complain …
I believe this is when the kids say ‘lol.’
The dude is actively offering to pleasure the girl
No, he’s offering to do what he wants to do. It’s not universal that women want that; it’s not universal that women want anyone to do that; it’s not universal that women want that specific person to do that. This is how we got rape in Revenge of the Nerds because a bunch of guys went “yeah but she liked it, right?”
Reasserting this. I have a vulva and HATE receiving oral. I am up front about this - it is not taking time to pleasure me, it does not feel good to me. I have still had men whine, or start doing it anyway, or bitch about it.
Offering an unwanted sex act is not a kindness. Anyone who thinks that it is does not have the understanding of consent or human sexuality that is necessary to participate in sex.
He isn’t asking directly. I’m going to be the devil’s advocate and say the guy is willingly taking the longer route to the girls favours, by putting her pleasure ahead of his.
It sounds considerate, to say the least.
“Hey I’ll suck your dick”
“Wow how considerate”
lol
That is considerate. What about it do you think isn’t?
It’s just funny thing to say
Unironically, you have it right.
My desire to express how that little snippet of dialogue hit me through a visual cue is overwhelming…
Are we going to discuss sexual dynamics next?
Women don’t usually need to flaunt their sexual availabilty in order to be approached by men.
But I’ll risk that many guys getting that straightforward approach would be really happy to have it.
I really didn’t follow what you meant with this reply. I just thought what you wrote earlier was funny
No he isn’t, he wants to give her head. That’s for his pleasure–he enjoys going down on women. Said women aren’t fucking obligated to agree just because he’s offering.
This is some incel-level shit here.
Getting pleasure from providing pleasure does not not negate that its still providing pleasure for someone else.
If they didn’t ask for it, and don’t want it, it’s not ‘giving’ the other person anything. This is how a lot of sexual assault works; the rapist tells the other person they’re enjoying it and does things like this, and then goes ‘well I did (whatever act) for them, so I’m the good guy here.’ This idea that performing oral/touching the other person/etc without direct stimulation back is entirely about the person receiving is false, has always been false, and will continue to be false. This is dangerous ground we’re on here, and we’re better than this.
Seriously, the opening words are I want. I don’t know how much more direct it would have to be here.
First time I get that remark…
Funny enough, growing up I got tired of hearing women complain their husbands/boyfriends/partners/men in general would always prioritize their own pleasure and pressure to have their interests fullfilled in detriment of the womans needs and expectations.
The dude is actively offering to pleasure the girl. Yes, she is in all of her right to refuse him and his advances, but damn, he is trying to be a bit considerate.
He could just go straight to the point and say he wanted to jump in her pants and be a complete idiot in doing so.
I believe this is when the kids say ‘lol.’
No, he’s offering to do what he wants to do. It’s not universal that women want that; it’s not universal that women want anyone to do that; it’s not universal that women want that specific person to do that. This is how we got rape in Revenge of the Nerds because a bunch of guys went “yeah but she liked it, right?”
Reasserting this. I have a vulva and HATE receiving oral. I am up front about this - it is not taking time to pleasure me, it does not feel good to me. I have still had men whine, or start doing it anyway, or bitch about it.
Offering an unwanted sex act is not a kindness. Anyone who thinks that it is does not have the understanding of consent or human sexuality that is necessary to participate in sex.