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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/24394554
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So far, Americans using RedNote have said they don’t care if China has access to their data. Viral videos on TikTok in recent days have shown Americans jokingly saying they will miss their personal “Chinese spy,” while others say they are purposefully giving RedNote access to their data in a show of protest against the wishes of the U.S. government.
“This also highlights the fact that people are thirsty for platforms that aren’t controlled by the same few oligarchs,” Quintin said. “People will happily jump to another platform even if it presents new, unknown risks.”
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Regarding the fediverse at large…
I believe that this is a design issue. Instances are designed so that they function like categories. That categories then have subcategories.
The issue is that with user distribution, you can’t then just assign users round robin distribute the load. This leads to what we now have which is very confusing to the end user.
Users was a centralized experience. The duplication of communities is a prime example of the bad design.
In the abstract, I would consider putting all instances in a pool. Each instance runs a different community, with servers also duplicating x number of communities for the sake of redundancy (instance goes offline, content still exists on another server). It’s complicated, and has it’s own issues/flaws, but I believe that from a high level view, it is a better design in general.
The current system is just a mess unfortunately.
Perhaps there could be a hybrid of these two approaches that would be superior.
My back of the napkin design prioritizes user experience and ease of use. That said, I can immediately think of a few downsides.
Right now the user’s identity and the content they consume & interact with are too intertwined in many cases.
There are two aspects here:
- The user’s home base, which is basically which server or app they log into.
- The communities they belong to, which can be on any server anywhere on the fediverse.
We have to get out of the mindset that the server you sign up on is your community, because with federation, you are not limited to the server you sign up on.
Each instance runs a different community, with servers also duplicating x number of communities for the sake of redundancy (instance goes offline, content still exists on another server). It’s complicated, and has it’s own issues/flaws, but I believe that from a high level view, it is a better design in general.
How are policies/moderation decisions discussed between the instances? That’s why you have different versions of the same instance, because [email protected] and [email protected] are going to be quite different
No more instance based communities. Instead instances are assigned to groups of servers for redundancy and you end up with a more centralized experience.
Essentially you end up with a server cluster.
Yeah sorry but no. Lemmy sucks and the fediverse is an overly complicated mess of in groups, our groups, federated and non federated communities and people will be racist to you and and you can also end up indoctrinated just as much by picking the wrong community starting point.
Wondering why people aren’t here doesn’t take a big mystery and despite all the people in here with blinders for all kinds of topics I’m not shocked that anyone looking in would be disgusted, compare this place to 4chan with user names and move on.
We’re right here and we suck, mate. FOSS almost always sucks.
Besides, many Lemmy users have been very clear that they do not want the fediverse to have more reach. We don’t try to appeal to TikTok users. We don’t want to make space for them.
Was just talking with a friend that downloaded a Mastodon app a while back when Twitter was bought by Elon, encountered the “Choose a server” bit, and bailed after choice paralysis. They’re technical and have a doctorate in Computer Science so it’s not like they couldn’t figure it out, but there’s something in the human psyche where most people don’t want to make choices like that. They’re on Bluesky now and think its great.
IMO sites like https://pixelfed.org/how-to-join and https://join-lemmy.org/ should just have a normal sign up flow, and load balance between all servers that opt in. Looks like that’s going to happen for Pixelfed:
https://mastodon.social/@dansup/113830788279211715
It’ll make some people unhappy, but that’s just how you get “normies” onto the Fediverse.
doctorate in Computer Science
Lmfao
If there were a good invite system you could have just shared that including a pre-selected instance for your friend. That’s way more effective than trying to explain federation to people not really that interested in the first place.
"Lemmy has 42k monthly active users
- https://discuss.online/ if you want a server located in the USA (content is still accessible from any server, the most difference latency)
- https://sopuli.xyz/ if you want a server located in the EU
- https://vger.app/ if you want an app
Feel free if you have any questions"
Server choice affects content discoverability, I don’t think omitting that helps in the long run.
They’re going to be fine with those two. Mentioning federation issues from the get go is the best to get them uninterested in Lemmy immediately
This feels like kicking the can down the road just to trip on it later, but I respect your effort and dedication, so do what you think is best, I wish you luck.
IMO sites like https://pixelfed.org/how-to-join and https://join-lemmy.org/ should just have a normal sign up flow, and load balance between all servers that opt in.
I think the Join Fediverse site should ask a few questions (what service do you want? Where are you? What are your interests?) and spit out a small handful of suggestions. Shouldn’t be too difficult to program.
That’s what join-lemmy.org does, is it not?
It doesn’t ask where you are, just the language. As it’s for Lemmy only, it obviously doesn’t ask what service you are looking for too.
Join the Fediverse needs something much more like that but with the extra options. As it stands you have to do way too much scrolling, reading and clicking.
… and when it asks what language, it doesn’t differentiate between English and American Englishes, for example, and you have to scroll down quite a long way to get shown Feddit.uk.
Sometimes you just want to know everyone’s on the same page when you talk about biscuits, pants and fannies.
Maybe people want a platform that’s more than just a constant Linux and capitalism-bad circlejerk sprinkled with some basic news and askreddit-type threads.
We have Star Trek too
Lol. I’m not actually surprised at all that the country that just elected Junior Hitler again is literally begging to be fucked by the CCP. You REALLY cannot fix stupid and stupid is now the vast majority.
