I think this is isolated because a small amount of westerners are going there and usually it’s because they are reacting negatively to something their government is doing. If only people who feel anti-american are there, it is a net positive, but if the average American is flooding China with average American perspectives, it could reaffirm the pro-musk, pro-america type posts. I’ve already seen a lot of Chinese putting notes like “some Americans seem to hate x but others say they are exaggerating, which is true?” Which shows that these Chinese users are open to either side being true and are surprised enough by the people saying negative stuff that they think it could be a lie
Given that CPC has managed to navigate these things successfully for many decades on end, I’m going to assume that they thought through these things as well.
China has always allowed for experermination, and that’s why Shanghai clique is allowed to exist in the first place. This will be another useful experiment.
That’s a superficial comparison at best. There’s a vast difference between what USSR did with glasnost and what China is trying here. Their aim isn’t to liberalize China, and they’re playing from a position of strength here.
are they? China is sure going to overtake america in most things, but talking pure propaganda apparatus america has got them like fish in a barrel. this is the country that convinced the socialist bloc into selling their soul for bic mac and coca cola.
I think it’s important to keep in mind that the world isn’t static. US propaganda was extremely effective during the Cold War because the standard of living in the US was visibly higher than in the socialist bloc. Today that’s simply not the case, and all of the western world is in visible political turmoil because the material conditions are declining rapidly. Propaganda that’s completely divorced from reality isn’t going to work much better in China than it works domestically.
I hope so, but looking at situations like zero covid shows that they are also under pressure from less politically developed people, people who have capitalist desires. A lot of Chinese netizens talk about these issues in the party, saying that many people join as members through rote memorization and don’t fully understand Marxism, but do it to get social capital and better work prospects. Apparently Chinese schools teach introductory Marxism but it sounds similar to how politics and economy are taught in US schools- a surface level understanding which doesn’t practically instill how to embody the values and philosophy.
I’m as big a china stan as they come and have a lot of hope that the CPC will keep China moving towards socialism, but it’s good to have a sober analysis of the situation beyond just hope.
Every approach has its risks. The downside of being closed off is that people develop their own theories about what the outside world is like. I imagine the rationale is that China feels confident enough to experiment with starting to allow some interaction which can build confidence if it lets people see that their country is doing well relative to others.
I think this is isolated because a small amount of westerners are going there and usually it’s because they are reacting negatively to something their government is doing. If only people who feel anti-american are there, it is a net positive, but if the average American is flooding China with average American perspectives, it could reaffirm the pro-musk, pro-america type posts. I’ve already seen a lot of Chinese putting notes like “some Americans seem to hate x but others say they are exaggerating, which is true?” Which shows that these Chinese users are open to either side being true and are surprised enough by the people saying negative stuff that they think it could be a lie
Given that CPC has managed to navigate these things successfully for many decades on end, I’m going to assume that they thought through these things as well.
if this actually is being pushed by the shangai clique i think you very much should distrust them
China has always allowed for experermination, and that’s why Shanghai clique is allowed to exist in the first place. This will be another useful experiment.
did you mean experimentation here lol??? anyways, from everything i read shangai fucks up shit all the time, imo it’s time to prune those liberals
Exterminate the Shanghai libs - xi jinping
president xi im begging you please i need good news
Oh yeah haha autocorrect fail
this is experimentation like Glasnost was
That’s a superficial comparison at best. There’s a vast difference between what USSR did with glasnost and what China is trying here. Their aim isn’t to liberalize China, and they’re playing from a position of strength here.
are they? China is sure going to overtake america in most things, but talking pure propaganda apparatus america has got them like fish in a barrel. this is the country that convinced the socialist bloc into selling their soul for bic mac and coca cola.
I think it’s important to keep in mind that the world isn’t static. US propaganda was extremely effective during the Cold War because the standard of living in the US was visibly higher than in the socialist bloc. Today that’s simply not the case, and all of the western world is in visible political turmoil because the material conditions are declining rapidly. Propaganda that’s completely divorced from reality isn’t going to work much better in China than it works domestically.
I hope so, but looking at situations like zero covid shows that they are also under pressure from less politically developed people, people who have capitalist desires. A lot of Chinese netizens talk about these issues in the party, saying that many people join as members through rote memorization and don’t fully understand Marxism, but do it to get social capital and better work prospects. Apparently Chinese schools teach introductory Marxism but it sounds similar to how politics and economy are taught in US schools- a surface level understanding which doesn’t practically instill how to embody the values and philosophy.
I’m as big a china stan as they come and have a lot of hope that the CPC will keep China moving towards socialism, but it’s good to have a sober analysis of the situation beyond just hope.
Every approach has its risks. The downside of being closed off is that people develop their own theories about what the outside world is like. I imagine the rationale is that China feels confident enough to experiment with starting to allow some interaction which can build confidence if it lets people see that their country is doing well relative to others.