Start saving now, start learning how to fix things, grow food, make do with less.
A whole lot of people may not have any choice about going without pay for awhile, much less one day, the time to start preparing is now. I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities, learn how to to grow food and repair things.
The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety. Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.
You know shit about me Squid, I grew up dirt poor in the ozarks. Don’t lecture me about poverty while you flee the country. Wtf are you gonna do when the SS comes knocking on your door? Buy a plane ticket? You’re poking a lot of holes but I don’t see any action plans from your safe haven in England, just a lot of flak for people with skin in the game.
Ya’ll acting like you can discuss your way out of a camp are playing with your own lives (and those of your families). Maybe you don’t have anything at risk, that’s great disregard what I’m saying. But if you’re a trans/queer/non-Christian “other” maybe it’s a good time to look into protecting your and yours.
Or you can listen to the… idk, are they supposed solutions? And ignore what’s happening in our country. Personally I’d recommend getting some protection before they decide you have a mental illness and aren’t allowed to have one.
I didn’t lecture you about anything, but if you grew up “dirt poor,” like you claim you did, then I would think that you would understand that people in poverty do not have anything to save.
Also, the idea that you could feed yourself and your kids with what you grow in small planters in an apartment (before they kick you out for not paying rent because you lost your job due to being out protesting) is not how the universe works.
I assume you are now going to make the suggestion I saw someone make the other day and let their kids eat out of dumpsters.
Also, I am sorry, but this is fucking stupid:
Or you can listen to the… idk, are they supposed solutions? And ignore what’s happening in our country and get some protection before they decide you have a mental illness and aren’t allowed to have one.
You do not automatically come up with good solutions which are beyond criticism and people who criticize them aren’t people who are just ignoring things.
My dirt poor aunt has a closet full of canned goods, she saves her excess.
Do you think Trump is a risk? You fled for that very reason right? Would you have suggested Jews disarm in the run up to the Holocaust? Not all of us have the resources to flee dude, despite your implication that I have some sort of wealth, which is rich coming from someone who legitimately was able to relocate.
You do not automatically come up with good solutions which are beyond criticism and people who criticize them aren’t people who are just ignoring things.
The only criticism I saw was “no that won’t work!” from someone who’s already ensured his safety. I’m all for sharing ideas if you have any Squid but maybe all you have to contribute is “no!” maybe you could lurk more and let the people facing the risk face it.
I’m willing to entertain any other suggestions you have. Your method isn’t possible for me or lots of others so please, if you have some suggestions this is the time.
Well one suggestion would be to have some compassion for people living paycheck-to-paycheck and not expect such people to ruin their lives and, worse, their kids lives by doing things that are, at best, highly impractical and, at worse, could leave them destitute. And it’s not just you, you’re just part of a wider group saying things like people should be feeding their kids out of dumpsters if they really wanted to do something about Trump.
Another would be to suggest that rather than such people growing their own food and saving money they do not have to save, that they take part in collective action and protesting when they are able to do so, rather than on a specific, limited schedule that others who have far more freedom in their lives expect them to follow.
So you just glossed over everything in my original comment except the part about saving (food, money, medicine, anything) and owning a gun? I specifically said network with like-minded people. Community is the only way we’ll get through the next decade. If buying a gun is a financial hardship that’s fine, look for other steps you can take. Don’t just throw your hands up and say “no!”
People are going to have to learn to rely on themselves (and their neighbors) because infrastructure and public services days are basically numbered. Soon prices will start to rise for the most basic goods, people will reduce their consumption. They will “make do” or they’ll do without. Talk to your grandparents who survived the depression. Remember the covid toilet paper panic? That’ll be a fond memory.
You can dislike my message, I don’t care that much. I’ll even agree that everything you said should be done. However, my messages is meant for marginalized, radicalized individuals who are at very real risk of being exterminated. People who have the means and the mind to organize and resist.
My “queer hiking” club has already established second lines of communication and started spitballing what to do as things become progressively worse. This is real and I do not plan to get on the train willingly. Moving abroad isn’t an option, so this is what I’ll do.
Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them.
This is a pretty intense topic to get involved with.
I dithered a little bit about getting a firearm. I still do not have one. I know how to use them, in a cursory kind of way.
Part of why I’ve held back on getting one is this: Imagine playing a board game for the first time, and if you lose, you’re going to die. Or sitting down at a poker table to play for the first time in your life. How well are you going to play? Are you probably going to win? Also, the game only lasts for fifteen seconds.
Having a gun sounds like not a bad idea for what’s coming up in this country. Having a gun and no experience at all in the types of situations you might get yourself into, if you have a gun, sounds almost worse than just not having one. People freak out, they fuck up, they take the wrong decisions. It’s what naturally happens when you’re playing an adversarial game for the first time in your life. After a while, you learn the game, and you start making generally good decisions a lot more of the time. But the first time…
I’m not saying having a gun is a bad idea. There are days when I think I’m being stupid for not having one. But also, you need to know what you’re doing, and if you don’t have some kind of military or other professional training, you’re not going to know what you’re doing, and you can walk yourself into situations there’s no good way out of if you don’t know what you’re doing.
Start saving now, start learning how to fix things, grow food, make do with less.
A whole lot of people may not have any choice about going without pay for awhile, much less one day, the time to start preparing is now. I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities, learn how to to grow food and repair things.
The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety. Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.
Saving what?
How do you do that in a small apartment?
You sound like you’ve never lived in poverty. Unfortunately, millions of Americans do.
Anything you can. Rice and beans.
In small planters I guess.
You know shit about me Squid, I grew up dirt poor in the ozarks. Don’t lecture me about poverty while you flee the country. Wtf are you gonna do when the SS comes knocking on your door? Buy a plane ticket? You’re poking a lot of holes but I don’t see any action plans from your safe haven in England, just a lot of flak for people with skin in the game.
Ya’ll acting like you can discuss your way out of a camp are playing with your own lives (and those of your families). Maybe you don’t have anything at risk, that’s great disregard what I’m saying. But if you’re a trans/queer/non-Christian “other” maybe it’s a good time to look into protecting your and yours.
Or you can listen to the… idk, are they supposed solutions? And ignore what’s happening in our country. Personally I’d recommend getting some protection before they decide you have a mental illness and aren’t allowed to have one.
I didn’t lecture you about anything, but if you grew up “dirt poor,” like you claim you did, then I would think that you would understand that people in poverty do not have anything to save.
Also, the idea that you could feed yourself and your kids with what you grow in small planters in an apartment (before they kick you out for not paying rent because you lost your job due to being out protesting) is not how the universe works.
I assume you are now going to make the suggestion I saw someone make the other day and let their kids eat out of dumpsters.
Also, I am sorry, but this is fucking stupid:
You do not automatically come up with good solutions which are beyond criticism and people who criticize them aren’t people who are just ignoring things.
Sorry, you’re not a god.
My dirt poor aunt has a closet full of canned goods, she saves her excess.
Do you think Trump is a risk? You fled for that very reason right? Would you have suggested Jews disarm in the run up to the Holocaust? Not all of us have the resources to flee dude, despite your implication that I have some sort of wealth, which is rich coming from someone who legitimately was able to relocate.
The only criticism I saw was “no that won’t work!” from someone who’s already ensured his safety. I’m all for sharing ideas if you have any Squid but maybe all you have to contribute is “no!” maybe you could lurk more and let the people facing the risk face it.
And there it is- “you ran away like a coward.”
I’m willing to entertain any other suggestions you have. Your method isn’t possible for me or lots of others so please, if you have some suggestions this is the time.
Well one suggestion would be to have some compassion for people living paycheck-to-paycheck and not expect such people to ruin their lives and, worse, their kids lives by doing things that are, at best, highly impractical and, at worse, could leave them destitute. And it’s not just you, you’re just part of a wider group saying things like people should be feeding their kids out of dumpsters if they really wanted to do something about Trump.
Another would be to suggest that rather than such people growing their own food and saving money they do not have to save, that they take part in collective action and protesting when they are able to do so, rather than on a specific, limited schedule that others who have far more freedom in their lives expect them to follow.
A third would be to not tell people like the residents of the 13.5% of American households that were food insecure a couple of years ago that they just need to make do with less when there is no less.
So you just glossed over everything in my original comment except the part about saving (food, money, medicine, anything) and owning a gun? I specifically said network with like-minded people. Community is the only way we’ll get through the next decade. If buying a gun is a financial hardship that’s fine, look for other steps you can take. Don’t just throw your hands up and say “no!”
People are going to have to learn to rely on themselves (and their neighbors) because infrastructure and public services days are basically numbered. Soon prices will start to rise for the most basic goods, people will reduce their consumption. They will “make do” or they’ll do without. Talk to your grandparents who survived the depression. Remember the covid toilet paper panic? That’ll be a fond memory.
You can dislike my message, I don’t care that much. I’ll even agree that everything you said should be done. However, my messages is meant for marginalized, radicalized individuals who are at very real risk of being exterminated. People who have the means and the mind to organize and resist.
My “queer hiking” club has already established second lines of communication and started spitballing what to do as things become progressively worse. This is real and I do not plan to get on the train willingly. Moving abroad isn’t an option, so this is what I’ll do.
A gun is going to be at least what - $500?
If I had $500 lying around, that’d be a down payment on an apartment in a place where they can’t fire you for being a tranny.
This is a pretty intense topic to get involved with.
I dithered a little bit about getting a firearm. I still do not have one. I know how to use them, in a cursory kind of way.
Part of why I’ve held back on getting one is this: Imagine playing a board game for the first time, and if you lose, you’re going to die. Or sitting down at a poker table to play for the first time in your life. How well are you going to play? Are you probably going to win? Also, the game only lasts for fifteen seconds.
Having a gun sounds like not a bad idea for what’s coming up in this country. Having a gun and no experience at all in the types of situations you might get yourself into, if you have a gun, sounds almost worse than just not having one. People freak out, they fuck up, they take the wrong decisions. It’s what naturally happens when you’re playing an adversarial game for the first time in your life. After a while, you learn the game, and you start making generally good decisions a lot more of the time. But the first time…
I’m not saying having a gun is a bad idea. There are days when I think I’m being stupid for not having one. But also, you need to know what you’re doing, and if you don’t have some kind of military or other professional training, you’re not going to know what you’re doing, and you can walk yourself into situations there’s no good way out of if you don’t know what you’re doing.