Democratic National Committee vice chair David Hogg’s plan to spend $20 million to primary older Democratic incumbents in Congress has sparked intense anger from some lawmakers.
They should have done this years ago. This opens the party to get republicans playing democrats to take over that party. We have seen this with at least 10 democrats constantly voting with republicans or a democrat completely switching parties during their term. Split the damn party or go home.
Everyone over 60 years old should be kicked the fuck out of the party and way be made for younger people who have to actually live in the fucking world being created by them.
Hogg is 100% right and they are just whining like babies when they should be doing their effing jobs.
Even the complaints against Hogg are just virtue signaling.
No action. Ever.
They are complicit.
I think it’s safe to say that the ancient Democrats who’ve been holding onto their seats by sheer force of incumbent political influence, contributed to turning Hogg into a school-shooting survivor. Obviously Republicans bear more responsibility thanks to their gun/violence fetish, but these Dems wouldn’t be so angry if he hadn’t touched a nerve. They’re clearly afraid of young people with new and rational ideas.
I hope these young’uns keep at it, their passion and drive is inspirational. Since the geriatrics in power clearly can’t smell their own bullshit anymore, fuck em. No one is entitled to power, you have to earn it like Hogg has through his dedicated activism. His organization has helped pass more than 250 gun safety laws, for example. He’s actually doing shit.
Not only that they’re afraid of both the real left and real right of young who can vastly transform the country for the better if they worked together
Which they are doing already. But if they do it even more on every level then that will be HUGE transformations every day not weeks or months or years or decades
The greatest strength the younger generations have is adaptability and having a clearer mind of what to focus on as a collective
They strength themselves, and even more so with others
That’s a great point. The party is only hurting itself in the short and long term by not welcoming younger candidates and trying to elect people who are actually willing to wield their power by trying shit out, rather than just further entrenching themselves by wielding their political influence. That’s the difference, the younger generations are willing to try out new policies and see if they work. That’s how this whole fucking system is supposed to function. Try something out, if it doesn’t work then too bad, you lose the next election and continue working on your ideas while the other party tries their shit out to see if their ideas work. We’ve strayed so far from that, that everyone is just accustomed to the government not trying big things, and nobody trusts that the other side would ever govern or compromise in good faith.
That’s why their anger is so frustrating to me. They’ve been there forever and done jack shit, and whine like children when someone young comes along and acts more mature by offering to fix the shit the elders have refused to.
If it has to be democrats instead of a new party, this is literally the only way to make it work.
Good Job David Hogg and Leaders We Deserve, hope you oust a ton of these ancient shitbirds.
The neoliberals no longer have the chair…
Ken Martin does…
And the same DNC voters who elected him, elected David Hogg as a vice chair…
Like, this is the party.
Why would we push for a new one, when we just got control of the old one after decades?
We’re not doing another 2016
We can have leftist leadership or admit we want a fascist dictatorship.
The DNC have had over 50 years to choose to force their rich doners to make concessions. They’ve shown they aren’t interested.
The Neoliberals don’t get to be in charge anymore.
The Neoliberals don’t get to be in charge anymore.
They’re literally not tho…
Like, the battles were fought, the war was won…
You just don’t seem to be politically engaged enough to have noticed.
So in your view, the current makeup of democratic leadership, representatives and senators is what “fixed” should look like?
democratic leadership, representatives and senators
The DNC is the party…
The DNC is saying we need to primary those elected politicians because they no longer reflect the values of the Dem voter base.
The neoliberals are no longer running the party (which again, is the DNC)
But I applaud you for asking when you weren’t sure
I must have missed the part where the DNC ran a non Neoliberal canidate.
You’re blaming the people elected to DNC leadership of February 2025 for things done in November of 2024 and earlier…
Why?
Why am i blaming a party that is totally incapable of representing their voters?
Because this is supposed to be a democracy?
Crazy how it’s always the brand new accounts insisting what youre insisting…
Martin has been making the same AIPAC-slave moves as the last dem corporation leader. The time you spent learning his name was completely wasted. He might as well be the last guy.
Until there’s no more first past the post, a progressive party would have to replace the democrats, or it would split the “default non-stupid” vote.
How can you say democrats don’t do anything?
God the 2nd pic is cringe.
Why this is not brought up every other day whenever Schumer or Pelosi think they are out of touch, I will never know.
First picture is Democrat Lollypop Guild
Bet they do more against primary challengers than they ever have or ever will against fascists.
“We can’t upset the fascists! We have to think of decorum!”
Might as well make a bet if the sun will rise tomorrow.
If they fought against fascists like they do to progressives, Trump wouldn’t have had any chance at even the nomination in 2016.
Good fucking riddance, if they wanted their seats they should have defended our country and stood against nazis.
The old moderate Democrats are not going to change…they keep trying to reach conservatives in a “middle” that keeps moving right. I’d say getting Democrats elected, then replacing them with better democrats in future elections would be the way to go, but there’s something to be said for getting nowhere with the same.old.people.in.the.same.old.positions.election.after.election.and.never.gaining.a.meaningful.majoritye. Either the positions or the people need to change. Since the existing people are not willing to change their positions on the issues, people must be the next thing to change. The party needs to progress into the future, with younger, more vital blood.
many of them are Dinos, themselves, just need to rout out those first.
Calling then Dinos works on at least different levels. They’re old and not Democrats.
they were using the same tactics as the gop are to stay hidden, basically DNC had manchin and sinema to take all the flak, and gop had mitch mcconnel and some of the flipflopper to take all the heat, while the rest collude with each other and with putin and billionaires(both parties, how to not give voters what they want, but enough that they wont rebel against us)
I’d start by looking at the ones that cried the loudest in reaction to this.
Why would you want Bernie Sandwrs to change. He’s trying to reach conservatives because they are normal people who have been deluded and manipulated into voting for nonsense, but they basically support the same stuff normal people want.
Bernie Sanders is an Independent - one of the reasons he’s treated so badly by the DNC. There should be more Independents, as far as that goes.
I was mocking them calling right wingers moderate, son.
Mistake for who? Not a mistake for me, not a mistake tactically considering the policy and popularity polling, not a mistake when you consider that these people have been suppressing popular and well polling progressive policies and candidates for decades and still managed to lose the presidency and both houses to a goddamn moron…
All of this shit, all of these “reasons” they list in opposition to Hogg’s initiative, they are all bullshit. Bullshit and deflections and distractions from the fact that they are concerned exclusively about the bottom line for their wealthy benefactors, and about their own as well. The irony that is not lost on anyone is that they are the assholes who did this to us in the first place, and would you look at that, Donald Trump is about to hand them a tax cut.
They’re really upset about losing their expense accounts. Sure they get a salary, but every single one of them has an expense account that dwarfs their salary.
Both sides, the old guard is useless but he’s massively anti 2A, which is also not helpful right now.
Na the fascists are also going to need to get rid of the 2A soon. They don’t need headlines like “ICE impersonator shot by citizen while conducting an extra judicial abduction”
You can’t put that genie back in the bottle on any reasonable time scale, there’s more guns than people in the US, and half of them are basically invisible to authorities.
i know right. Where my no step snek libertarians in the face of tyranny tho?
Begging for government contracts.
Both sides, the old guard is useless but
but here comes the excuse…
he’s massively anti 2A, which is also not helpful right now.
How convenient!
Only a fool would willingly disarm with fascist trying to take absolute power
Only a fool would be relying on registered firearms with fascists trying to take absolute power.
Sure. It’s not because he’s trying to push the party to the left. It’s because the party has suddenly come around to being single-issue voters who agree with republicans on yet another issue, this time guns.
Before that, it was genocide, immigration, and trans people. What will we agree with republicans on next?
If the dude can raise $20 million he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. Crybaby old farts need to get with the times.
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It’s not. I just don’t how to refer to them here. I see Michael well and good.
But … Lemmy can do gifs? Am I misunderstanding?
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??? Really you think that’s what the donors think when they send money to the DNC???
“Here’s my hard earned money please do what ever the fuck you want with it, efficacy be damned”
That actually explains a lot tbh. You might be on to something here!
“Here’s my hard earned money please do what ever the fuck you want with it, efficacy be damned”
I mean, that’s the response they expect from progressives.
Yea fair. I came around to it while typing my comment. I appreciate the insight it made me come to other enlightening conclusions.
Every Democrat seat should face a primary. Every year. No party funds should be spent until after the primary or all people on the ballot should get the same party stipend.
Should. But they are not gonna.
The hell they aint
Everybody go home, no point in doing anything. You heard 'em.
What are you going to do about it? - Democrats who hold the power to do the thing you think they should do.
Frankly this is a good idea in the long term despite a possible short term loss.
The Tea Party hurt the Republicans in the short term, but they took over the party and purged the liberal elements. They replaced Eric Cantor with a speaker who does everything they want. They’re a monolithic block now and have been winning out on their strategies ever since.
AOC ousted 10-term congressman Joe Crowley in a primary by a huge margin. A few more of those couldn’t hurt.
We should be doing this to every single motherfucker who clearly is doing insider trading.
I agree, we do need a “Guillotine Party” to do for us what the Tea Party did for the GOP.
Unfortunately, Hogg and gun control are part of what needs to be removed.
As always, there’s some excuse for why the person who is trying to move the party to the left shouldn’t be doing that.
It’s neat watching the party go from “Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good! It’s just a little genocide!” to “This guy who is primarying centrists who hold us all back doesn’t agree with republicans enough!”
Of all of the people in this thread for whom the second amendment fills the void where a personality would be in a more complete person, not one cares about the incumbents’ opinions on firearms.
As always, there’s some excuse for why the person who is trying to move the party to the left shouldn’t be doing that.
I don’t know if you didn’t get the memo or something, but the left likes guns now. Gun control is not “moving the party to the left”. Gun control is a plank in the old, establishment platform, and needs to be thrown out along with those ancient fossils.
Of all of the people in this thread for whom the second amendment fills the void where a personality would be in a more complete person, not one cares about the incumbents’ opinions on firearms.
Nobody gives a shit about the incumbent positions on anything, with the possible exception of their retirement. Get them the hell out of office, and bring in some actual leftists.
Nobody gives a shit about the incumbent positions on anything, with the possible exception of their retirement. Get them the hell out of office, and bring in some actual leftists.
Provided that the person calling for it has the opinions you prefer on guns. And only guns.
Provided that the person calling for it has the opinions you prefer on guns. And only guns.
No, that conclusion does not follow from the facts at hand. There are any number of issues that raise my ire. I’ve railed just as vociferously against Hogg for guns as I have against any number of democratic fossils, for reasons ranging from pro-genocide, to appeasing Republicans, to senility. Gun control is just one of many disqualifying conditions. That he and I share an absolute disgust for Retired-in-Place Democrats is not sufficient to rehabilitate his image. He is an honorary fossil, and needs to go along with them.
Just seems like whenever there’s someone who is trying to get the party to move to the left, suddenly there’s some criterion for why they shouldn’t.
Bernie’s too old and that was a problem from 2016 until the second Biden announced. It’s a problem again now that Biden is out of office. AOC is a woman and that’s suddenly a problem because she’s seizing the moment. Hogg doesn’t agree with the NRA on guns.
There’s always some excuse.
Just seems like whenever there’s someone who is trying to get the party to move to the left,
Again, “gun control” is not a leftist issue. Gun control is keeping the party from moving left.
Further, Hogg isn’t trying to move the party to the left. He openly supports legacy Democrats like Pelosi and Hillary who built the failed party, and he is looking for younger candidates who will keep the party right where theose decrepit fossils planted it.
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And the kids that die as part of your demand for gun ownership rights, you just dont care about them at all do you. You need to man up and take care of your community.
Any other job where you fail as hard and as often as those old fossils do, you get the fucking boot. Why do they think they’re entitled to their fucking seat? You fucked up and have been responsible for having the world’s worst person elected twice now. Time to go.
Let them pound sand. These geriatric bastards are incapable of adapting to the malevolence currently destroying everything. We need somebody willing to punch these conservative bastards’ teeth down their throats.
