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    a lot of .world users say this was a conspiracy

    Well. It is a conspiracy. A conspiracy theory, even! I have a very compelling theory that Boeing conspired to kill that guy.

    Just because it’s a conspiracy (we allege that people conspired to do something bad) theory (we don’t have absolute, provable-before-a-judge-and-jury hard evidence) doesn’t mean that it’s false. Also daily reminder that the CIA purposefully adopted the term “conspiracy theory” to convince the public to dismiss allegations that they secretly did something bad by associating them with Bigfoot and aliens. At the same time as they were secretly drugging random members of the public with LSD and watching them freak out and fall out of windows.

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    who I do remember is Brock Turner, yes that guy… the rapist Brock Turner. who now goes by the name of Allen Turner. that guy

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    It’s a very plausible conspiracy theory. I think it warrants way more investigation than it got.

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      Sounds like suicide to me. I feel like Boeing is still largely at fault for bringing him to that point though.

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        I would hope that if I publicly proclaimed, “I have no intent to commit suicide,” before my suicide then people would…

        …at a minimum, state, “Brother that guy proclaimed he had no intent to commit suicide,” every time it was brought up.

        …then ideally that additional scrutiny would be applied at a law enforcement level and the case would be handled with extra scrutiny.

        So lacking the ideal, I’m here to remind you that just before his suicide he proclaimed, “I’m not going to commit suicide.”

        I’m extremely puzzled how this isn’t brought up every time, people need to remember.

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    A lot of new .world users showing up with ChatGPT responses about how this was a conspiracy

    Reminds me of the Epstein thing. It could be AI. But people do love their conspiracy theories, too.

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      Unless there’s actual evidence that it’s AI, I think this is an absolutely absurd assumption to make.

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      there’s proof it wasn’t a suicide in the article you’ve linked there… well, it’s not the same as having the complete police report, buuut:

      finger was still on the trigger when officers attempted to remove the gun from his hand. A police report states no fingerprints were recovered from the gun.

      so, he wiped down the gun and bullets for fingerprints, and then shot himself?
      sounds a lot like someone else shot him or put the gun in his hand and made him shoot himself (like by threatening his family)… and a shiny silver revolver is great for collecting fingerprints….
      could’ve been an omitted detail… or soaked in blood?

      they mention his fingerprints were found all over his notebook, so that seems pretty inconsistent….
      ….
      i’ll just go smoke my Sherlock Holmes pipe now….

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        You’ve misread the passive language here. ‘no prints were recovered’ can mean that they tried to find prints and couldn’t, or that they never even bothered to try getting prints off the gun.

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          I’ll admit, this irks me in mystery shows. Those don’t seem like something you’d reliably get.

          “Sir, just as you predicted, we found the kitchen knife in the third drainage grate of the northern side of the city sewage system, wrapped loosely in five layers of cheesecloth, wadded with human waste. And, we’ve performed a DNA and fingerprint analysis on the handle. The prints perfectly match your suspect, sir!”

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          It could also mean no print were recovered other than his obviously which they may have just not bothered to mention

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          Also, people need to understand that not everything you touch will 100% have your fingerprints.

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          i didn’t, i noted that the presence of prints on the notebook implies an effort to obtain fingerprints on things. the gun description is particularly good for collecting prints, and i know all sorts of random things could explain that otherwise… i do find it curious, however

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        Let me get this straight. You think somebody else wiped down the fingerprints on the gun, shot him, and then stuck his finger on the trigger without thinking about creating any fingerprints? Does seem like someone half-assed the wrong step of that operation…

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        like by threatening his family

        Exactly. Boeing investors/management maybe didn’t kill anybody. They simply asked him if he loved $familyMember1 ($age, $location, $bestFriend), $familyMember2 ($age, $location…)…

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      An unpopular opinion, but I’m not buying a conspiracy either. The guy wanted to hurt Boeing, had just finished testifying and saw the writing on the wall that Boeing was going to walk, and decided to kill himself as a last stab at bringing attention to it. Worked like a charm too.

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        It’s only unpopular because every time someone dies that’s even tangentially associated with some corporate fuckery the internet instantly calls it an assassination. It’s absolutely stupid, but the hive mind seems to be geared to desperately want everything to be a conspiracy. No better than the conservatives making vaccines a conspiracy.

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          If only we had the refrence of past experiences to better predict how corporations act in the future.

          Chiquita banana hired paramilitary death squads to secure their bananas and they were never punished.

          Hell, just a few years ago the US couped Bolivia so Elon could have cheap lithium.

          The bigger conspiracy nut theory is ignoring observable reality to make corpos the good guys.

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            Don’t put words in my mouth.

            In no way shape or form do I view corporations as “good guys”. They are greedy, destructive on multiple levels, self-serving, cold, and often straight up evil.

            Nobody here has observed shit except a someone died associated with a court case against a corporation. Everything here calling it a conspiracy is conjecture and made up opinion.

            The hiring of paramilitary death squads and what banana republics are is a completely different and tragic issue that extends far beyond what a single “hit” on an individual is.

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                You picked a side

                Yeah. They picked truth and honesty over sensationalism.

                Spreading lies about corporations doesn’t help. They’re bad enough anyways; we don’t need to make up stories about them to paint them in a bad light, they’re perfectly capable of painting themselves.

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                  The braindead people out there who fight against you understand that playing devils advocate means you are advocating for the devil.

                  It’s sad that the college educated are incapable of understanding this.

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          Equating whistleblowers being killed to vaccine conspiracies shows how well people have been brainwashed into state obedience. Any narrative goes.

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            Evaluating everything as a conspiracy shows how well people have become incapable of critical thinking and applying cold logic and skepticism to both sides of the equation. Any narrative goes.

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                He was not killed.

                He did kill himself.

                My suspicion is there were deliberate steps to take him off suicide watch and allow him the unsupervised time and means with which to kill himself. He knew he was fucked and his life was over forever coupled with scores of people wanting him dead, along with being raked over the coals to roll over on rich and powerful people. But apparently that’s not enough for people, they have to manufacture a murder.

                But no, he was not murdered.

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        This is not an unpopular opinion, the people here are just unhinged. It’s the other side of the same qanon coin.

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    Jeffrey Epstein. Imagine how many people whose names you haven’t heard just randomly committed suicide one day. Or had an accident. Or just disappeared.

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    Chiquita overthrew a government and everyone still loves their bananas 🤷‍♂️

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    the most interesting part to me is that nowhere along the line did anyone mention just how interesting it all is. you know the real bad shit has started when the press shuts up and universities bend over and one of the richest people in the fucking world has to re-think his pricing displays because it pissed off the King.

    edit to add - he put a fucking tax on british tea without congress. that’s a taxation without representation. on british fucking tea.