I followed some of it (regrettably) and I think it’s pretty clear Ethan is acting in bad faith and has no intention of changing his mind. I think Hasan also knows this and was using the debate to try to reach to his audience, but from what I’ve watched I’m pretty sure any Ethan viewer is already set in their ways and will just project whatever they already believe in on the debate. They’re also dumb so they probably think Ethan’s gotchas owned Hasan, cause they don’t understand anything besides drama and normalize Islamophobia so they can’t even identify it.
The best thing Hasan could do was just ignore him, becuase he was crashing out on his own and was heading to irrelevancy. The debate put him back to relevancy while doing nothing for the causes Hasan is supposed to care about.
Anyways, I wish I could forget these people exist because internet drama is so pointless
I think Hasan also knows this and was using the debate to try to reach to his audience, but from what I’ve watched I’m pretty sure any Ethan viewer is already set in their ways and will just project whatever they already believe in on the debate.
I think the debate did change the minds of some people in Ethan’s audience. IIRC, during the debate itself, Hasan’s viewers peaked at about 120k (before the debate, a Hasan stream would typically peak at around 35k viewers), while Ethan’s viewers peaked at around 110k. But as the debate went on, Ethan’s viewers fell all the way to about 67k. I don’t think Hasan’s viewers dropped below 100k before the debate ended. Maybe that change in viewership reflects how Hasan and Ethan were received by their respective audiences.
During/after the debate, some H3 fans expressed their dissent in the H3 subreddit (1, 2), but the H3 mods removed those posts and comments. Since then, more H3 fans have said that they can no longer support Ethan (1, 2).
So even though the mods and the curated content on the H3 subreddit will not show a change of heart, people have been leaving, and Ethan’s mods keep deleting posts about it.
They are former friends, so there’s probably a personal dimension to it.
I followed some of it (regrettably) and I think it’s pretty clear Ethan is acting in bad faith and has no intention of changing his mind. I think Hasan also knows this and was using the debate to try to reach to his audience, but from what I’ve watched I’m pretty sure any Ethan viewer is already set in their ways and will just project whatever they already believe in on the debate. They’re also dumb so they probably think Ethan’s gotchas owned Hasan, cause they don’t understand anything besides drama and normalize Islamophobia so they can’t even identify it.
The best thing Hasan could do was just ignore him, becuase he was crashing out on his own and was heading to irrelevancy. The debate put him back to relevancy while doing nothing for the causes Hasan is supposed to care about.
Anyways, I wish I could forget these people exist because internet drama is so pointless
I think the debate did change the minds of some people in Ethan’s audience. IIRC, during the debate itself, Hasan’s viewers peaked at about 120k (before the debate, a Hasan stream would typically peak at around 35k viewers), while Ethan’s viewers peaked at around 110k. But as the debate went on, Ethan’s viewers fell all the way to about 67k. I don’t think Hasan’s viewers dropped below 100k before the debate ended. Maybe that change in viewership reflects how Hasan and Ethan were received by their respective audiences.
During/after the debate, some H3 fans expressed their dissent in the H3 subreddit (1, 2), but the H3 mods removed those posts and comments. Since then, more H3 fans have said that they can no longer support Ethan (1, 2).
So even though the mods and the curated content on the H3 subreddit will not show a change of heart, people have been leaving, and Ethan’s mods keep deleting posts about it.