None of my desk jobs have ever allowed a personal computer because of the risk of data leaking.
Was cautioned about an employee at our competitor who used a personal device, it was stolen and it had client data on it including some of their IP, and when that client took legal action, because the employee acted out of company policy they were on the hook for it.
-> technical device - for productive employees that’s an actual option, but you may have to prove to the organization that they benefit from enabling your full potential
Maybe for the positions you may have been in; had I used Linux at any of those other jobs there would constantly be document compatibility issues between LibreOffice and Word, and in an IT position I wouldn’t be able to replicate issues a user is facing, unable to read Windows memory dumps or event logs on my own machine, the RMM doesn’t have a client for a tech to use on Linux, and that’s just scratching the surface.
The benefits of Linux for me (no ads, no telemetry, familiarity of the terminal and config files, open source, privacy, sticking it to big tech, etc.) just don’t translate into things that would make me more productive at work.
Those can be avoided for all documents and presentations that are not written by multiple people at the same time. In practice, such use cases exist, though - but in order to enable my own full productivity I have managed to cut those ties.
in an IT position I wouldn’t be able to replicate issues a user is facing
Having to support users of Nadella-Assholesoft (NA) is a whole different issue. No one can reasonably expect to have any job relief because they hate NA when they sign up for an IT support position for NA.
The benefits of Linux for me (no ads, no telemetry, familiarity of the terminal and config files, open source, privacy, sticking it to big tech, etc.) just don’t translate into things that would make me more productive at work.
You are obviously prioritizing what’s important to you. That’s pretty normal. However, anyone who wants to and can switch, your switch, fighting the uphill battle to get Linux more widespread. Especially now that the divided states of southern northern america have gone off the deep end and turned full-scale fascism. Any silicon valley oligarch product you manage to cut from your life will protect the lives of innocents in america and elsewhere in the world (palestine, for one).
Convenience is no longer a good option when it comes with fascism and support of genocidal regimes.
only in jobs were you’d be looking for a way out. The only things you can’t do in LibreOffice is be 100% layout identical with the same document opened in Nadella-asshole-soft office (but still you get reasonably close), use macros (and people who create documents with non-VBA macros deserve to be slapped anyways) or use VBA (that’s the real downside, especially in spreadsheet calculations). LibreOffice Basic isn’t really practical to use, sadly.
Uhh, no. There are collaborative tools in Office that are used by the sorts of people who don’t know what LibreOffice is. There’s also certain internal policies that tend to classify information in ways that work with Office.
That it’s all cloud based. None of it is stored locally.
Remember what I said about security around documents? Part of that is that docs are never on local machines. Yes, there are other issues with cloud storage, but nobody gets fired for doing it.
So you are not using office, you are using a web application that gives you a “window” into microshit 365.
Then of course you wouldn’t be able to do anything with LibreOffice but I guarantee you your IT is just one exploit away from an expensive nightmare. I would quit such a job right away if I had an option not to starve.
Depends. It’s a factor. My previous employer was acquired by enormous American megacorp, and the first thing they started is forcing Microsoft infrastructure on us, a software development company that had Linux infra already in place. It immediately made all the work a bit more frustrating. Some people left because of that, and they were right to do so, things got way worse since then.
well 'scuse you, but you said you were a software developer. any SW dev worth their money can at the very least get a self-administrated technical device not to be hooked up to the intranet, because corporate IT sucks donkeyballs.
if I have to explain to you what the point of a technical device that you can self-administrate would be, then chances are you are not a software developer.
… What purpose would a not-connected-to-the-intranet device serve for my job which requires I check in my code to the local fucking intranet.
You have no fucking idea what software developers do, do you? You think IT is going to be fine with usb drives being used to transfer proprietary code back and forth - that’s a security nightmare and not worth the effort. Not that it would work because the is be unable to connect to the servers or databases the code I’m developing uses.
Having a self administered machine, in the office, that I can’t use to do my job is pointless
Thank you for confirming you have never worked in an office.
Have you never worked in an office before? IT doesn’t just let you install whatever you want on work machines.
We know alternatives exist… They’re not always available.
Or if you use your own machine, you still have to collaborate in ways that require Office for one reason or another.
None of my desk jobs have ever allowed a personal computer because of the risk of data leaking.
Was cautioned about an employee at our competitor who used a personal device, it was stolen and it had client data on it including some of their IP, and when that client took legal action, because the employee acted out of company policy they were on the hook for it.
-> technical device - for productive employees that’s an actual option, but you may have to prove to the organization that they benefit from enabling your full potential
Maybe for the positions you may have been in; had I used Linux at any of those other jobs there would constantly be document compatibility issues between LibreOffice and Word, and in an IT position I wouldn’t be able to replicate issues a user is facing, unable to read Windows memory dumps or event logs on my own machine, the RMM doesn’t have a client for a tech to use on Linux, and that’s just scratching the surface.
The benefits of Linux for me (no ads, no telemetry, familiarity of the terminal and config files, open source, privacy, sticking it to big tech, etc.) just don’t translate into things that would make me more productive at work.
Those can be avoided for all documents and presentations that are not written by multiple people at the same time. In practice, such use cases exist, though - but in order to enable my own full productivity I have managed to cut those ties.
Having to support users of Nadella-Assholesoft (NA) is a whole different issue. No one can reasonably expect to have any job relief because they hate NA when they sign up for an IT support position for NA.
You are obviously prioritizing what’s important to you. That’s pretty normal. However, anyone who wants to and can switch, your switch, fighting the uphill battle to get Linux more widespread. Especially now that the divided states of southern northern america have gone off the deep end and turned full-scale fascism. Any silicon valley oligarch product you manage to cut from your life will protect the lives of innocents in america and elsewhere in the world (palestine, for one).
Convenience is no longer a good option when it comes with fascism and support of genocidal regimes.
only in jobs were you’d be looking for a way out. The only things you can’t do in LibreOffice is be 100% layout identical with the same document opened in Nadella-asshole-soft office (but still you get reasonably close), use macros (and people who create documents with non-VBA macros deserve to be slapped anyways) or use VBA (that’s the real downside, especially in spreadsheet calculations). LibreOffice Basic isn’t really practical to use, sadly.
Uhh, no. There are collaborative tools in Office that are used by the sorts of people who don’t know what LibreOffice is. There’s also certain internal policies that tend to classify information in ways that work with Office.
I know. But I do not see how those would keep the knowledgeable people from working in LibreOffice and saving their documents in OOXML.
If an organization relies on “classifying information in ways that work with Office”, the IT security probably has no idea what they are doing.
Because they’re not strictly “your” documents. You have to share them with co-workers.
Yes? And what would prevent the sharing here?
That it’s all cloud based. None of it is stored locally.
Remember what I said about security around documents? Part of that is that docs are never on local machines. Yes, there are other issues with cloud storage, but nobody gets fired for doing it.
So you are not using office, you are using a web application that gives you a “window” into microshit 365. Then of course you wouldn’t be able to do anything with LibreOffice but I guarantee you your IT is just one exploit away from an expensive nightmare. I would quit such a job right away if I had an option not to starve.
They are though. Yeah, it’s hidden from the user, and also there are multiple ways to achieve exactly that using Libre
Skill issue. Find a better job, duh.
That would be a very stupid reason to search for a new job.
Recruiter: “Oh, I see you left your previous company soon after joining, what happened there?”
“They used Microsoft products, so I refused to touch the computers”
Recruiter “…”
Depends. It’s a factor. My previous employer was acquired by enormous American megacorp, and the first thing they started is forcing Microsoft infrastructure on us, a software development company that had Linux infra already in place. It immediately made all the work a bit more frustrating. Some people left because of that, and they were right to do so, things got way worse since then.
well 'scuse you, but you said you were a software developer. any SW dev worth their money can at the very least get a self-administrated technical device not to be hooked up to the intranet, because corporate IT sucks donkeyballs.
What would be the point of that?
You’re just saying dumb shit now to avoid having to admit you’re just wrong.
if I have to explain to you what the point of a technical device that you can self-administrate would be, then chances are you are not a software developer.
… What purpose would a not-connected-to-the-intranet device serve for my job which requires I check in my code to the local fucking intranet.
You have no fucking idea what software developers do, do you? You think IT is going to be fine with usb drives being used to transfer proprietary code back and forth - that’s a security nightmare and not worth the effort. Not that it would work because the is be unable to connect to the servers or databases the code I’m developing uses.
Having a self administered machine, in the office, that I can’t use to do my job is pointless
Thank you for confirming you have never worked in an office.
Whatever you tell yourself to sleep at night.
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