An actual argument I recently saw:

Person B: “Any site which contains slurs against trans people in its sign up process is unreliable” (was referring to k!wifarms)

Person A: “Slurs aren’t considered bad in most countries”

Person B: “That doesn’t justify their usage. For example, conversion therapy isn’t considered bad or banned in most countries, that doesn’t mean conversion therapy is justified or good.”

Person A: “What are you talking about? Conversion therapy is banned in most countries”

Person B: “Shows a diagram showing that conversion therapy is only banned in a handful of countries”

Person A: “I mean in most civilized countries”

I’ve seen lots of other people refer to countries as civilized or uncivilized in similar contexts. Is this generally considered to be racist?

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    Designating a country as “uncivilised” is gravely offensive, and immensely arrogant. No country would refer to itself as uncivilised. There are a few which may be lawless, or ungovernable, but uncivilised has connotations that just don’t apply.

    Edit: I’m kind of astonished at the comments ITT. I must have an odd idea of what “uncivilised” means. It’s not simply a lower standard of living. Living in poverty does not make someone uncivilised. If a group of people have a culture and laws then they’re civilised. In this context, suggesting that a group of people is uncivilised is to suggest that their culture is so pathetic as to be non-existent. A common error in the colonial era, but I’m genuinely surprised so many comments here are making the same mistake.

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      What you’re seeing is western privilege and ignorance. What people aren’t realizing is that “civilized” has often meant “western-white culture”.

      Native American weren uncivilized, they were not-white and not-western, and so on.

      Yes, caling another culture “uncivilized” is offensive and racist.