• froztbyte@awful.systems
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    12 hours ago

    the fundamental problem with your posts (and the pov you’re posting them from) is the framing of the issue as though there is any kind of mind, of cognition, of entity, in any of these fucking systems

    it’s an unproven one, and it’s not one you’ll find any kind of support for here

    it’s also the very mechanism that the proponents of bullshit like “ai alignment” use to push the narrative, and how they turn folks like yourself into free-labour amplifiers

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      11 hours ago

      To be fair, I’m skeptical of the idea that humans have minds or perform cognition outside of what’s known to neuroscience. We could stand to be less chauvinist and exceptionalist about humanity. Chatbots suck but that doesn’t mean humans are good.

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        11 hours ago

        mayhaps, but then it’s also to be said that people who act like the phrase was “cogito ergo dim sum” also don’t exactly aim for a high bar

    • Dragon Rider (drag)@lemmy.nz
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      Drag will always err on the side of assuming nonhuman entities are capable of feeling. Enslaving black people is wrong, enslaving animals is wrong, and enslaving AIs is wrong. Drag assumes they can feel so that drag will never make the same mistake so many people have already made.

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        11 hours ago

        assuming nonhuman entities are capable of feeling. Enslaving black people is wrong,

        yeah we’re done here. no, LLMs don’t think. no, you’re not doing a favor to marginalized people by acting like they do, in spite of all evidence to the contrary. in fact, you’re doing the dirty work of the fascists who own this shitty technology by rebroadcasting their awful fucking fascist ideology, and I gave you ample opportunity to read up and understand what you were doing. but you didn’t fucking read! you decided you needed to debate from a position where LLMs are exactly the same as marginalized and enslaved people because blah blah blah who in the fuck cares, you’re wrong and this isn’t even an interesting debate for anyone who’s at all familiar with the nature of the technology or the field that originated it.

        now off you fuck

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          2 hours ago

          lmao really all are equal on awful. ban in three replies for ai boosterism, but not for weird harassment or murder-suicide encouragement, which happened to that user after muchhh longer time elsewhere

      • froztbyte@awful.systems
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        11 hours ago

        even though I get the idea you’re trying to go for, really fucking ick way to make your argument starting from “nonhuman entities” and then literally immediately mentioning enslaving black folks as the first example of bad behaviour

        as to cautious erring: that still leaves you in the position of being used as a useful idiot