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People with selection bias who lucked out that their setup doesn’t cause issues and who then think they are somehow morally better people because of that.
It’s basically the Gospel of Prosperity but for Linux.
To be fair people like to use distros that arnt great choices for gaming. Any distro can game, but some are far better choices then others, doubly so if you are new to Linux.
Look at Debian, Ubuntu or anything else based off them. Frequently behind, poor gamer community support, and frequently pushes new users towards gnome.
All things that for normal day to day don’t matter one bit. But for a gamer can make things absolutely fucking awful. Creating endless edge cases.
Fedora and things based on it arnt much better. With poor gamer community support, less then stellar documentation and and frequently does some real weird shit ahead of the curve that’s very unique to fedora. Making it frequently break things related to gaming.
Bazzite is uniquely good tho for this use case, tho cachy does the same thing with less issues.
Opensuse is slightly better Tho still has some lacking gaming community support. But generally isn’t something new users are likely to use so less of a worry in a conversation about nontechnical gamers.
Which then brings you to arch which if this was 5 years ago would be a huge problem.
But with valve targeting arch specifically, most arch distros pushing users to kde, which valve targets, most gaming communities directly supporting software on the aur and arch because valve targets arch.
And the rise of stable easy to use options like endeavour, and the gaming focused cachy you have basically have one option that’s a perfect base for new users to get a os that will be well supported for their use case, and the other that’s for all functional purposes a literal steamOS clone for gamers.
So like normal you basically have a case, where the Linux community is like stuck 5 years in the past with general wisdom and telling new users to use distros that ARNT suited for their use case. Then there’s endless edge cases cropping up of people having problems and things being overly complicated.
Instead of just telling people to install a distro option that comes with everything preinstalled, preconfigured and targeted directly by the companies and developers that they specifically want to use software from.
Again anything can work, but we arnt talking about Linux users using Linux. We are talking about gamers using Linux. They don’t give a fuck about anything open source related, they don’t care one bit about the differences between distros.
They just want to game and are fed up with windows. They aren’t coming here cause they like Linux. They are coming here because they hate windows.
And that’s something that the Linux community seems to struggle with massively as a concept. Give them the thing that does what they want, they don’t care if it contains proprietary nonsense or not.
Just give them something that comes preinstalled with or is one click to install what they want.
Sad that you don’t read replies, because what you are saying makes a ton of sense, and I have questions.
I don’t really have the time to try out 20 distros. I used Kubuntu quite a lot before, but I had issues with it, so I wanted to switch away. I tried out Mint, PopOS and Fedora, due to common recommendations and Fedora is the only one that really caught my fancy.
But “tried out” means “installed it, ran one game on steam, done”. Don’t really have time for more. Since then I have regretted choosing Fedora.
What would be a good distro if I want to game, but I also need it as a general purpose distro? I don’t want to have to dual-boot between a gaming distro and my regular distro where I code and run all my regular stuff on.
I’d also like to have something that doesn’t update the kernel all that fast, since my laptop doesn’t wake from sleep on a kernel newer than 6.10 (at least on Fedora 41). It’s a documented bug that doesn’t have a fix yet, apparently.
Yes, my CPU is an AMD Ryzen 7 7435HS which doesn’t have an iGPU. My Nvidia 4070 is the only GPU present on my system.
My GPU driver version is 570.153.02, which is the currently newest production version. When installing it, I used this guide: https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA
I tried Wine-GE-Proton8-26, GE-Proton-latest, Proton Experimental and Proton 9 (Beta). I tried each of these options with Esync and Fsync enabled and disabled and every combination of these two options.
I tried enabling/disabling VKD3D and DXVK-NVAPI.
And of course I tried rebooting.
I found quite a few people with similar issues online, but never with a fix that actually works. Most of the people with the same issues don’t get any replies at all, and if they do it’s some condescending posts from people who lucked out and don’t have the same issue and think that that makes them better people or something.
(For context, I am a software developer, I programmed for embedded Linux devices for 12 years now. I used Linux as my work OS for the last 7 years until I changed jobs half a year ago and my new company mandates Windows and now I have to deal with WSL. I use Linux as my main private OS for the last 3 years. I compiled kernels for embedded devices quite a few times. It’s fair to say that I do have a little bit of experience when it comes to troubleshooting Linux issues, and I’ve gone through a lot of troubleshooting.)
That’s super bizarre and sorry you’re having those issues. I have a 4070ti w/ an 11900k on arch (use debian on my laptop and printers, chose arch for more recent releases for drivers in particular) and guess I’ve been lucky, arch wiki won’t 100% help but might point you at other possible configs?
Had solid luck with the nvidia-open drivers, and really other than setting a few flags for hdr in KDE (which I’m not sure it’s still needed), I do recall looking at DRM kernel mode settings (section 1.2), most of my grief though has been HDR related (and gamescope doesn’t play nice with some games, steam big picture also can render strange on higher resolutions)
Could be the AMD CPU (had a few kernel issues with that CPU, for example on anything newer than 6.10 the laptop doesn’t wake from sleep, that’s a well-documented issue either with the CPU or the chipset), could be the mobile 4070, could be because I’m using Fedora (some of the issues I have like the one with performance randomly dropping to single-digit FPS and that not clearing up with a reboot are reported quite often on Fedora), could be something entirely different.
I’m on a budget gaming laptop (Lenovo LOQ), could be that they messed up something there, don’t know.
I haven’t even touched HDR so far, because the base function isn’t there.
Games on Steam don’t tend to give me trouble, for some reason it works better there, but I don’t have 300 or so free games on Steam.
In that case you seriously fucked something up when installing the drivers
You sure you only have 1 GPU? (No APU) and how did you install them drivers?
And most importantly: What Wine prefix are you using, what wine Version, and did you restart your PC after doing updates?
😂
Just the right kind of humour.
People with selection bias who lucked out that their setup doesn’t cause issues and who then think they are somehow morally better people because of that.
It’s basically the Gospel of Prosperity but for Linux.
To be fair people like to use distros that arnt great choices for gaming. Any distro can game, but some are far better choices then others, doubly so if you are new to Linux.
Look at Debian, Ubuntu or anything else based off them. Frequently behind, poor gamer community support, and frequently pushes new users towards gnome.
All things that for normal day to day don’t matter one bit. But for a gamer can make things absolutely fucking awful. Creating endless edge cases.
Fedora and things based on it arnt much better. With poor gamer community support, less then stellar documentation and and frequently does some real weird shit ahead of the curve that’s very unique to fedora. Making it frequently break things related to gaming.
Bazzite is uniquely good tho for this use case, tho cachy does the same thing with less issues.
Opensuse is slightly better Tho still has some lacking gaming community support. But generally isn’t something new users are likely to use so less of a worry in a conversation about nontechnical gamers.
Which then brings you to arch which if this was 5 years ago would be a huge problem.
But with valve targeting arch specifically, most arch distros pushing users to kde, which valve targets, most gaming communities directly supporting software on the aur and arch because valve targets arch.
And the rise of stable easy to use options like endeavour, and the gaming focused cachy you have basically have one option that’s a perfect base for new users to get a os that will be well supported for their use case, and the other that’s for all functional purposes a literal steamOS clone for gamers.
So like normal you basically have a case, where the Linux community is like stuck 5 years in the past with general wisdom and telling new users to use distros that ARNT suited for their use case. Then there’s endless edge cases cropping up of people having problems and things being overly complicated.
Instead of just telling people to install a distro option that comes with everything preinstalled, preconfigured and targeted directly by the companies and developers that they specifically want to use software from.
Again anything can work, but we arnt talking about Linux users using Linux. We are talking about gamers using Linux. They don’t give a fuck about anything open source related, they don’t care one bit about the differences between distros.
They just want to game and are fed up with windows. They aren’t coming here cause they like Linux. They are coming here because they hate windows.
And that’s something that the Linux community seems to struggle with massively as a concept. Give them the thing that does what they want, they don’t care if it contains proprietary nonsense or not.
Just give them something that comes preinstalled with or is one click to install what they want.
I don’t read replies
Sad that you don’t read replies, because what you are saying makes a ton of sense, and I have questions.
I don’t really have the time to try out 20 distros. I used Kubuntu quite a lot before, but I had issues with it, so I wanted to switch away. I tried out Mint, PopOS and Fedora, due to common recommendations and Fedora is the only one that really caught my fancy.
But “tried out” means “installed it, ran one game on steam, done”. Don’t really have time for more. Since then I have regretted choosing Fedora.
What would be a good distro if I want to game, but I also need it as a general purpose distro? I don’t want to have to dual-boot between a gaming distro and my regular distro where I code and run all my regular stuff on.
I’d also like to have something that doesn’t update the kernel all that fast, since my laptop doesn’t wake from sleep on a kernel newer than 6.10 (at least on Fedora 41). It’s a documented bug that doesn’t have a fix yet, apparently.
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You are confusing who you are talking to.
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Yes, my CPU is an AMD Ryzen 7 7435HS which doesn’t have an iGPU. My Nvidia 4070 is the only GPU present on my system.
My GPU driver version is 570.153.02, which is the currently newest production version. When installing it, I used this guide: https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/NVIDIA
I tried Wine-GE-Proton8-26, GE-Proton-latest, Proton Experimental and Proton 9 (Beta). I tried each of these options with Esync and Fsync enabled and disabled and every combination of these two options.
I tried enabling/disabling VKD3D and DXVK-NVAPI.
And of course I tried rebooting.
I found quite a few people with similar issues online, but never with a fix that actually works. Most of the people with the same issues don’t get any replies at all, and if they do it’s some condescending posts from people who lucked out and don’t have the same issue and think that that makes them better people or something.
(For context, I am a software developer, I programmed for embedded Linux devices for 12 years now. I used Linux as my work OS for the last 7 years until I changed jobs half a year ago and my new company mandates Windows and now I have to deal with WSL. I use Linux as my main private OS for the last 3 years. I compiled kernels for embedded devices quite a few times. It’s fair to say that I do have a little bit of experience when it comes to troubleshooting Linux issues, and I’ve gone through a lot of troubleshooting.)
That’s super bizarre and sorry you’re having those issues. I have a 4070ti w/ an 11900k on arch (use debian on my laptop and printers, chose arch for more recent releases for drivers in particular) and guess I’ve been lucky, arch wiki won’t 100% help but might point you at other possible configs?
Had solid luck with the nvidia-open drivers, and really other than setting a few flags for hdr in KDE (which I’m not sure it’s still needed), I do recall looking at DRM kernel mode settings (section 1.2), most of my grief though has been HDR related (and gamescope doesn’t play nice with some games, steam big picture also can render strange on higher resolutions)
Could be the AMD CPU (had a few kernel issues with that CPU, for example on anything newer than 6.10 the laptop doesn’t wake from sleep, that’s a well-documented issue either with the CPU or the chipset), could be the mobile 4070, could be because I’m using Fedora (some of the issues I have like the one with performance randomly dropping to single-digit FPS and that not clearing up with a reboot are reported quite often on Fedora), could be something entirely different.
I’m on a budget gaming laptop (Lenovo LOQ), could be that they messed up something there, don’t know.
I haven’t even touched HDR so far, because the base function isn’t there.
Games on Steam don’t tend to give me trouble, for some reason it works better there, but I don’t have 300 or so free games on Steam.