• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.mlOPM
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      Honestly, I don’t think Putin even could accept a ceasefire at this point politically. Contrary to the popular narrative in the west, he doesn’t run Russia single handedly like he’s playing civ or something. There’s an actual government and a political system, and it has constituents. Doing a Minsk 3 right now would be completely unpalatable to most people in Russia.

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      The whole reason that trump asked for this meeting is because he realizes that he has no more room to make threats or offers for ceasefires. Any ceasefire will be an offer from Putin with terms that are unacceptable to europe and zelneski. That way Trump can wash his hands and walk away and Russia can finish up with assurances that trump wont go nuclear.

      “Its a good deal! I really wore Putin down. He wanted all of Ukraine, did I tell you that? all of Ukraine, and I talked him down to 4 oblasts, thats what they call states in Russia, OB-lasts, But I got this great deal for Zelenski and he says “no” and I told him we aren’t going to help him and its not going to be easy without us but he said “no.” so he’ll have to figure out how to stop russia, maybe with the europeans, I don’t know. Very sad.”

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      I think they doesn’t want to put pressure on its own society. Also, Russian controlled lands are in favor to Russian rule than Ukranian but the West and Middle of the Ukraine doesn’t want it. Taking Luhansk, Donetsk, Crimea would be enough for them since the full scale invasion requires more resources.

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        Problem is, there was at least 4 ceasefires with Ukraine during the civil phase of war and every single one was just a cynical ploy by the UA and west to regroup and rearm UA forces. You don’t give such people even a tiniest amount of trust and good will and Russia would be stupid to do that.

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          The problem is that Russian ruling class is addicted to Western boot polish. If USA offers them place at the Western table, they would capitulate in an instant. Luckily, Western politicians are too dumb, prideful and greedy to really do it.

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            Luckily, Western politicians are too dumb, prideful and greedy to really do it.

            They are, but it’s neither of this traits that decided, they simply cannot allow Russia get closer to Europe (and certainly not as close as to became member of NATO or EU) because it’s naturally born deal that would mean complete crash of post WW2 atlanticist hegemony projects. And even if, this was decided long ago, their huge fuckup was miscalculation about China which instead of going Gorbachev’s way and remain cheap labour neocolony, not only remained socialist but also became superpower and is challenging US hegemony by providing alternative for global south.

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        I don’t think we need to take anything at face value that comes from the western media and through their “anonymous sources”. The default assumption should be that they are bullshitting or trying to pull some sort of psyop.

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          If you read more carefully they’re telling that what they’re gonna do and when and where. Before, Iran attack US approach to Turkiye to arrest its opponents and make a truce with Kurdish resistance due to high Kurdish population that opposes to US. I’ve seen so many news about before the attack and an operation to Iran was so obvious at that point. Before, the war I was seeing so many anti-Putin and anti-russian news.

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    god what an awful article. The summit wasn’t a “triumph.” The summit was the first and biggest step of nato recognizing the real triumph of the Russians on the battle field.

    They didn’t even mention the funniest part where Putin repeated one of trump’s favorite talking points, “If trump had been in office there wouldn’t have been a war.”