So I got nothing against Furries, but I have noticed a weird thing where some will take any occasion that involves costumes as an excuse to dawn the suit, which is usually fine but sometimes I think it comes off as a bit obnoxious.
There’s a German community near home that has a traditional Fastnacht which is pretty cool, all the locals make the traditional papier-mâché masks and have a big parade. But the last two years I’ve went there been a group of furries there, not officially part of the parade but just like having a little side thing. Which just stuck me as being off theme, I wasn’t pissed or anything but it seemed a bit disrespectful to the festival organizers who put a lot of work into giving the event a consistent aesthetic.
Idk if I do or should feel similarly about furries on Halloween. Guess it really doesn’t matter.
Edit: thought I should mention, there were other people there in not-on-theme costumes as well, like super hero stuff, and that also irked me a bit. Seemed like the town was trying to keep a consistent traditional look going on so the occasional Spider-Man seemed gauche to me.
They used to be that price for quite a few years so you aren’t wrong. $20K is an outlier price, but it’s happened more than once so it’s indicative.
The pricing is complicated though. Probably ~15 years ago, there were only a handful of makers and $4K was consider the top end. That’s about what I paid for the top of the line back then. They lived in relatively low cost areas and either worked solo or with their partners.
A lot of new blood started to show up and enter the market. Rather than drive down prices, it actually ended up raising them. Many of these new makers were actually partnerships between two people and a lot of them were from the PNW and high cost of living areas. For two people to make a living there, they had to raise prices.
Prices crept up little by little, until big makers started to auction pre-made suits. Several of them have gone for well-north of $15K and that really caused a lot of makers, especially the ones that have been making suits for ~20 years now to really start charging more.
The business model has flipped on its head with most of them. Before, you’d send your design, they’d quote, and you’d decide whether or not to commission. Now, if you want to commission the person that made my suit for example, you send the design, but you have to tell them how much you want to pay… no offers below $10K.
It’s all fueled by the fact that there are a LOT of well-compensated furries in tech that shovel money into this stuff. The “suspiciously wealthy furry” is a community in-joke for a reason.
That being said, aside from the faux fur production, you’re paying an artist for art. It’s not quite the same exploitation as rich people’s treats.
I appreciate the breakdown. I had no idea all that was happening behind the scenes. Its cool to see the somewhat cottage artisan industry thriving. I never really got furry stuff and the face styles sorta creep me out, but I support folks doing what makes them happy.
I do really like when people have a hyper-realistic animal head instead of the cartoony ones but I don’t think they’re particularly common or really that big in the scene.
Yeah I’m not actually against them spending that money on something they’ll enjoy. I’m all for that. I was aiming for a joke but it must have fell flat.
Yeah, see that kind of investment I’m wearing it to; weddings, funerals, graduations, bar mitzvahs, quinceaneras, you name it. You invite me you’re getting a 6’ tall anthropomorphic weasel.
Also can you get insurance on them? I would think you could
lmao. I have a suit that probably set me back a little under a grand. there’s a kink some of my former partners have expressed where they want me to wear it while we honk around. I’m always like “no chance.” because it cost me a grand.
the $12 hoodie, the T-shirt with the stretched out neck, the sweat pants, and the dingy tube socks? sure. let’s get completely weird. my best clothes? no.
I think it’s okay for furries to show up to events that aren’t exclusively for furries if it’s a furry adjacent thing. Furries are sort of seen as an extension of general nerd culture so showing up at ComicCon in a Fur Suit is fine. I think think going “oh there’s costumes, I guess I’ll show in a fur suit” even when it’s a cultural festival that has nothing even tangentially related to furry culture seems a bit gauche.
So I got nothing against Furries, but I have noticed a weird thing where some will take any occasion that involves costumes as an excuse to dawn the suit, which is usually fine but sometimes I think it comes off as a bit obnoxious.
There’s a German community near home that has a traditional Fastnacht which is pretty cool, all the locals make the traditional papier-mâché masks and have a big parade. But the last two years I’ve went there been a group of furries there, not officially part of the parade but just like having a little side thing. Which just stuck me as being off theme, I wasn’t pissed or anything but it seemed a bit disrespectful to the festival organizers who put a lot of work into giving the event a consistent aesthetic.
Idk if I do or should feel similarly about furries on Halloween. Guess it really doesn’t matter.
Edit: thought I should mention, there were other people there in not-on-theme costumes as well, like super hero stuff, and that also irked me a bit. Seemed like the town was trying to keep a consistent traditional look going on so the occasional Spider-Man seemed gauche to me.
Don’t those suits run like $2000? If I dropped that kind of money I’d wear it every conceivable occasion also
$2000 is the absolute bare minimum. From people that have been making suits for a long time now, you’re looking at $20,000
We make fun of rich people treats yet fur suits get a pass.
Nothing actually against furries, but damn that cost is egregious, I usually thought around the 2-4k mark.
They used to be that price for quite a few years so you aren’t wrong. $20K is an outlier price, but it’s happened more than once so it’s indicative.
The pricing is complicated though. Probably ~15 years ago, there were only a handful of makers and $4K was consider the top end. That’s about what I paid for the top of the line back then. They lived in relatively low cost areas and either worked solo or with their partners.
A lot of new blood started to show up and enter the market. Rather than drive down prices, it actually ended up raising them. Many of these new makers were actually partnerships between two people and a lot of them were from the PNW and high cost of living areas. For two people to make a living there, they had to raise prices.
Prices crept up little by little, until big makers started to auction pre-made suits. Several of them have gone for well-north of $15K and that really caused a lot of makers, especially the ones that have been making suits for ~20 years now to really start charging more.
The business model has flipped on its head with most of them. Before, you’d send your design, they’d quote, and you’d decide whether or not to commission. Now, if you want to commission the person that made my suit for example, you send the design, but you have to tell them how much you want to pay… no offers below $10K.
It’s all fueled by the fact that there are a LOT of well-compensated furries in tech that shovel money into this stuff. The “suspiciously wealthy furry” is a community in-joke for a reason.
That being said, aside from the faux fur production, you’re paying an artist for art. It’s not quite the same exploitation as rich people’s treats.
I appreciate the breakdown. I had no idea all that was happening behind the scenes. Its cool to see the somewhat cottage artisan industry thriving. I never really got furry stuff and the face styles sorta creep me out, but I support folks doing what makes them happy.
I do really like when people have a hyper-realistic animal head instead of the cartoony ones but I don’t think they’re particularly common or really that big in the scene.
Yeah no problem. It was interesting to reminisce about the evolution of the market for a while.
It’s no different than someone spending their savings on a nicer car. Most of them are working class who saved for a few years.
Yeah I’m not actually against them spending that money on something they’ll enjoy. I’m all for that. I was aiming for a joke but it must have fell flat.
Yeah, see that kind of investment I’m wearing it to; weddings, funerals, graduations, bar mitzvahs, quinceaneras, you name it. You invite me you’re getting a 6’ tall anthropomorphic weasel.
Also can you get insurance on them? I would think you could
Never tried to get insurance, tbh, but I think you can take an insurance rider on almost anything.
Huh. Good to know
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lmao. I have a suit that probably set me back a little under a grand. there’s a kink some of my former partners have expressed where they want me to wear it while we honk around. I’m always like “no chance.” because it cost me a grand.
the $12 hoodie, the T-shirt with the stretched out neck, the sweat pants, and the dingy tube socks? sure. let’s get completely weird. my best clothes? no.
Well that’s fine then
what is to honk around?
It’s 50 degrees out? You could wear a light jacket, or you could wear a bright blue wolf suit.
They should have oversized papier-mâché masks for the fursuits to wear
See that would likely have been fine.
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I think it’s okay for furries to show up to events that aren’t exclusively for furries if it’s a furry adjacent thing. Furries are sort of seen as an extension of general nerd culture so showing up at ComicCon in a Fur Suit is fine. I think think going “oh there’s costumes, I guess I’ll show in a fur suit” even when it’s a cultural festival that has nothing even tangentially related to furry culture seems a bit gauche.
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True but I think a 5 grand fur suit draws more attention than a black hoodie and eyeliner.
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