Avanza is one of the largest banks in Sweden, and in their monthly blogg, they’re noticing a big movement where Swedes are selling their American funds and shares, to buy Swedish/European instead.
This isn’t for moral reasons, anyone can see the US economy and dollar will be worthless by 2028.
I started doing this for purely moral reasons roughly a year ago, knowing that it was most likely not the best economical decision for my investments. But now I’m starting to believe that you could be right.
I took about €1m out of US stocks around the same time. It’s cost me but I sleep OK
As a corollary, all these new deals working away from the US are waters lifting all boats, while the isolationist US sinks. Trump may be the best thing to happen to the world economy in a hundred years, at the expense of the US economy.
A year ago I moved my pension from a combination index fund consisting of mostly US company ran index funds to a different combination index fund that consists of mostly European ran index funds (and had a slightly less American stocks in it). Complex pension system, most index pension funds ran by our banks here consist of 5-6 different index ETFs. It’s a special category of fund that you invest into automatically each month from your taxes, and the government also contributes too. This is deducted from your taxable income and you pay reduced income tax on it when you retire (or maybe it was no income tax, I forgot)
Now I moved out of the bank-composed index fund altogether and in the month of May (you can only move funds 3 times a year on predefined dates and have to plan it well in advance), the existing monies will be reinvested in a selection of ETFs I selected to specifically have no US stocks. As for fund managers, I have a tiny bit in one iShares fund and one WisdomTree one because they were a bit unique (the WisdomTree one is Europe defense industry), but the rest is all Amundi, which is French. Any new deposits are already going into my selected ETFs.
If Trump truly fucks up the US economy and the US dollar, my retirement fund should be fairly safe after this move is complete. Unless Europe and Asia also crash and burn. But I have a few decades left to build more value anyway, I’m 30 and won’t be able to retire until at least 65 (the retirement age was set to rise gradually so the later you were born, the older you’ll have to be to retire, yaaaay)
You’re absolutely adorable if you think the US dollar is going to be worthless and 2 years.
Trump is going to replace Jerome Powell with some asshole who will cut interest rates and vastly increase money printing. And, most countries are moving away from using the US dollar in trade, down by 10% just in 2025.
They’re dumping the USD on purpose. But they’re going to get more than they bargained for.
Thank you for your service to the US. We would appreciate if you would all dump it all. Perhaps on the same day would be nice.
as an American, good. ruin our economy. defund the evil empire
Canadian here, I did the same last week. I’m already boycotting the US and I don’t want my money in their economy in any form.
Why would anyone invest in a country killing all trade deals, going into massive debt they can only deal with hyper-inflation, while funding expensive wars and their own civil war? It’s just bad economic advice.
You can still buy derivatives from a local broker. No money would go to the US since you are just making a bet with the broker.
I cannot do it right now, even though I might want to (I would have to declare it twice with two different countries and have them fight over the cash via me… no thanks.), but a question for other fellow European investors, is there a nice list of monthly dividends companies in Europe?
well done!
Heja Sverige!
Yes, and it’s a nuisance that virtually every global fund in basically just a US fund.
Amundi, Xtrackers, BNP Paribas, UBS… you have a huge amount of european ETFs with very good returns (exactly the same as american counterparts) and very similar fees, you just need to look for them somewhere else than on american propaganda platforms ^^
Define “American propaganda platforms”
I found a global-except-US fund. They exist.
What is it and what type of returns are you seeing?
I’m using XMXW (Xtrackers MSCI World ex USA UCITS ETF 1C) up 21% over a year, so better than the s and p. I ditched my US stocks before the US turned facist so got quite lucky
VXUS is a solid one. VT is 60/40 domestic/international and auto rebalances as it is mkt weighted.
I don’t have my notes but something like what @yuumei@feddit.uk said. You’ll find a few ETFs tracking the same index, but they’re all fairly new so don’t have much history to look at.
We moved a bunch to there and another to an all-world small-cap index which avoids the magnificently overpriced seven so we’re not fully divested of the US.
But anyway, “Past Performance Is Not Indicative Of Future Results” and “This Is Not Investment Advice”
I’ve been ridding Gold (of all things) since a bit after the 2008 Crash because after having been in Tech for the Tech crash and then right in the middle of Finance for the Finance crash - in Lehman Brothers, no less - and seen the “shove the problems under the carpet” non-solution for the latter, I became a firm believer than we were bound for a new Depression in the West.
Generally Gold, which has almost no industrial uses, works like a currency which does not rely on people trusting a country and its Economy like present day currencies do, so it tends to go up when countries are badly managed and their Economies start breaking - kind of an ultimate shelter for one’s savings when you can’t even trust the management of large countries and the value of their currencies.
Long story short, after a peak after the 2008 Crash, then a few years of a dip and a decade of slow increase in price, Gold has started taking off about 3 years ago and the speed of price increase has been going up every year (in 2024 it went up about 23%, in 2025 it went up 65%)
Given the political situation in mainly the US (but also in part Europe, as well as Europe’s continued excessive Economic entwining with the US not to mention all manner of laws in Europe that really just benefit US interests, especially around Intellectual Property, which partly tie us down to the success of those US companies), the many financial bubbles all over the place (most notably real-estate and stocks in global terms, plus AI mainly in the US) and we not having yet reached anywhere near the levels of economic pain seen in the 2008 Crash, I expect there’s still a lot to go in terms of Economic-pain and hence a lot to go in terms of Gold price increases until it reaches a peak. Certainly if the USD stops being a Reserve Currency, things are going to get crazy all around, making Gold even more attractive during that transition period.
That said the total value of all Gold mined ever is around $28 trillion (or it was 2 weeks ago, it’s more now), so less than merely the US public debt, so don’t really expect it to somehow replace the dollar or anything like it - it’s really just a Financial asset that goes up in times of political, economic and even societal crisis.
That said the total value of all Gold mined ever is around $28 trillion (or it was 2 weeks ago, it’s more now), so less than merely the US public debt, so don’t really expect it to somehow replace the dollar or anything like it
People will just call paper gold, gold futures. The last pillar holding up the US economy is Jerome Powell and if Trump gets rid of him, the US dollar will be worthless.
Paper gold would suffer from the exact same problem as all other fiat currencies - it would be entirely backed by trust on somebody or some institution and hence could collapse if that trust was abused, same as it seems to be happening with the USD as the US Administration abuses the trust placed in them which amongst other things backs the value of that currency.
The thing with actual physical Gold is that one can’t just print more of it and after millennia its stores are spread out all over the World thus there’s no one single major owner, so its pretty hard to manipulate (the closest to it, funny enough, is manipulating Gold Futures - i.e. paper - though that only seems to work for inducing short-term market movements that end up naturally corrected).
IMHO people would be better of spreading their savings across a basket of geographical locations and currencies than using paper gold.
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Self-investment?
Even in my own investment portfolio, I limited my exposure from US equities and invested more in European, Japanese and Canadian.
Back when I lived in Britain, in the run-up to and during the Leave Referendum I felt that the country wasn’t really a safe place to keep investments and moved almost all of my savings out of the British Pound.
In the week following the results of the referendum coming out, the value of the British Pound went down around 20% against other major currencies.
So simply by having those savings outside that currency, not counting any investment gains I was spared a 1/5 loss of my savings.
I seems to me the USD is very much in such a situation, possibly much worse if it loses its status as a Reserve Currency.
Oh yeah I remember that time well! I signed up for a job with a UK company (I’m french) and just lost 10% salary overnight :'(
The second biggest purchasing was noble metals, which must have hurt with the big drop during the latest week.
The drop was large, but insignificant compared to the runup.
Yeah, Gold price in EUR right now is well above the all-time-peak from 2 weeks ago.
Thanks, I didn’t know it increased that rapidly. However, I still think some people was buying gold after they saw that it increased a lot and they could have lost money.
I recently switched up all of my investments to shift entirely out of the US dollar. As part of that I put a good chunk into gold just a couple weeks before the “crash”, so I was in that group. It didn’t concern me though. I went in with eyes wide open that commodities take some wild swings.
The drop was artificial to help cover short positions.
how?
Mmm Ron Paul is not a reliable source for anything whatsoever
He’s a reliable source for the goldbugs point of view.
It’s gold and silver, they are precious metals, therefore they are always gonna go up even with occasional dips. As someone mentioned, the price drop that happened was manipulated for insider traders, who bet on the price drop, to make sure they make money. I just bought more shares on investing in gold and silver.
Seems like the prices are increasing again so it was a good call to buy more.
About time! I did that a year ago.
No more US assets in my portfolio.I did the same, and I live in the US.
Hell, I’m American and I’ve divested the vast majority of my investments from American shit.
