• Philosoraptor [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Why yes, I did steal this truck load of home theater equipment. But now that I have it, forcing me to give it back is just another kind of theft. Two wrongs don’t make a right. Have you even considered that I’ve already got buyers lined up? smug-explain

  • UmbraVivi [he/him, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    Dismantling the state of Israel does not mean “expelling the Jews”. They just can’t stay in the homes they stole. If they can find a place to stay elsewhere in liberated Palestine, they don’t have to leave.

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      People are acting like it’s impossible to build a bunch of apartment buildings for the illegal settlers to move into and then handing back all the stolen homes to their original owners. There are actual, concrete, plausible things you could do to resolve the decades of injustice.

  • Rojo27 [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    We can’t just displace all the Israelis, who have been displacing Palestinians since the establishment of "Israel"contextphobic

  • Le_Wokisme [they/them, undecided]@hexbear.net
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    the only innocent israelis are minor children and that taylor swift stan account who went to prison. and some of those kids are already participating.

    what to do with former israelis will be up to Palestinians. Viet Nam kicked out the vast majority of french colonists, maybe that’s a model.

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      what to do with former israelis will be up to Palestinians. Viet Nam kicked out the vast majority of french colonists, maybe that’s a model.

      Practically, the difficulty is the roughly even settler-indigenous population ratio. French colonies in Algeria and Vietnam never had anything but a tiny minority, relative to the country, of colonizers. Removing them was easy. Importantly, most of them wanted to leave when they lost political control. They only wanted to live in a country where they were colonial masters lording over distant, dark natives. I suspect many Israelis, especially the ones with American citizenship, would skedaddle almost immediately if the Palestinians secured a real state. But how many? What would you be left with? What would the costs of removal of millions of Israelis be to a young, unstable Palestinian state? Would they have the power to actually enforce that?

      I suspect many of the most diehard settlers would cling to their holdings like tumors across the territory and act as terrorist cells no matter what. The urban Israelis who have a less active role in settlement would probably be more amenable to political changes if they retained their economically cushy lives, but if that was threatened they could easily turn psychopath terrorists (the natural state of Israelis, after all). If you allow the Israelis political rights when establishing a democratic republic, they’ll only vote in counterrevolutionary freaks determined to destroy the entire project; if you don’t, you’re going to need the state power to repress them.

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        It is possible that there could be a political realignment out of ethnic Palestinian/Jewish lines in a post-Israeli Levantine. The nature of the current settler-colonial project creates a certain uniformity of allegiance within the Jewish population there, but there are tensions simmering under surface. There’s obviously the bias against non-white jews by the European jews there, and the secular jews have a lot of animosity towards the ultra orthodox jews. So I could see a more cosmopolitan/urban vs rural/traditional dynamic emerge, probably with some class elements as well, that doesn’t break down neatly on ethnic lines.

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          I don’t think I know enough to dive into the subdivisions of Israeli society in useful enough depth to answer you. I think you’re onto something about the Jewish population being so fractious that it could split apart at any time, but they’re largely held together by one thing: settler-colonialism. If they lose, does that unifying impulse weaken or strengthen? I could see it going either way.

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    This “bothsideism” slop is still zionist exceptionalism. Why should anyone care about what happens to opressors and why should we even care to platform people that are on the opressor’s side?

    • Le_Wokisme [they/them, undecided]@hexbear.net
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      Why should anyone care about what happens to opressors

      I don’t think “israelis” staying where they are, or killing all of them would be viable so Palestine will have to do something with them. other countries will necessarily be involved in that process.

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    “We can’t move people around like cattle” Okay motherfucker what is Gaza then? Holy hell I want to kick this idiot in the balls a thousand times in a row.

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    The Rick and Morty scene where the slave owner is like “look, I was born into the slave trade, I’m a victim too” and R&M drown him in his tub.

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    🇱🇧🇮🇱🇺🇸Hezbollah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah:

    “When the coffins with the bodies of American soldiers and officers are brought in, when they come in vertically and leave horizontally, then Trump and his administration will realize that they have lost the region and will lose the elections. If we achieve this goal, and we will achieve it with God’s help, the liberation of Al-Quds [Jerusalem] will be just a step away. When the Americans leave our region, the Zionists will pack up and leave with them. We won’t even have to fight against Israel.”

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    I mean, Israel has basically been a giant magnet for evil people, and they’re all in one place being bombed by Iran.

    This issue may be resolved on its own soon, then ironically the Palestinians can move into all the free real estate (that remains)?