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I wonder how many Americans are seeing this and thinking ‘wait I could’ve moved to Italy this whole time?!’
However, a law introduced on March 28 last year by emergency decree states that …
That’s where the discussion should have ended. Fascists love passing consequential laws by decree don’t they?
This is not particularly fascist, as this is renouncing the importance of blood to keep the nationality. In fact Italy had probably the most easy going nationality law in Europe when it comes to give it to descendants. One Italian grandparent and boom, here is your passport even if you don’t speak a word of Italian or never been to Italy.
It’s restricting access to nationality by emergency decree. Ask any European with a memory of the 20th century why that’s as classic fascist as it gets.
Whether Italy has or doesn’t have “too loose” laws, should not be something an emergency decree should decide. It’s something that should be debated democratically, with public consultation and input from all those concerned, including of course the Diaspora because, guess what, they’re citizens. Then there should be an actual vote in parliament and the senate and if it touches on constitutional rights, it should pass the threshold of constitutional reform.
That’s what democracies do. Fascists pass emergency decrees.
Depends how you see fascism, but not taking the regular intended route to change rules in a country with an established democracy has been a fascist (ultra-right) move for quite some time now. Not just in Europe. Counter balance is such a crucial part of a democracy.
Don’t worry about the downvotes, it’s basically amis that are salty that they are not Italian enough to get citizenship because they are 1/16th italian, but think a muslim brown person born and raised in Italy should be deported because they are not Italian enough. The law was passed by decree because every one could see a wave of US migrants invading… It was a real emergency.
The State Department has slashed by about 80% the fee for Americans to formally renounce their U.S. citizenship.
After years of legal battles with several groups representing Americans wanting to give up their citizenship, the department on Friday published a final rule in the Federal Register that reduces the cost from $2,350 to $450.
The new fee, which took effect on Friday, had been promised in 2023 but had never been implemented. The cost is now the same as it was when the State Department first started charging Americans to formally renounce their citizenship in 2010.
https://feddit.org/post/27084977
That post must be related to this one.
So what is this? Is it Europe or Italy putting up the wall against expected mass migration from the USA?
It is Italy only. It was the only one, who did not have a generational limit. Other EU countries have generational limits, which Italy also adopted. Also not just the US, but also Latin America.
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Since Italy became a country in 1861, there has been a surefire way to know who is and isn’t an Italian citizen: look at their parents.
🤔🥴 Somebody is going to have to explain that first sentence to me…
I know there was an “Italian Kingdom” around that time, did that change it’s status from something to a country?
The Kingdom of Italy before 1861 was only a tiny part of the italian peninsula. Before that there was a Kingdom of Italy as part of the Holy Roman Empire and then another Kingdom of Italy created by Napoleon. Modern Italy was created by the unification and annexation of a lot of kingdoms, duchies and so. This isn’t unique to Italy either, Germany was created in a very similar way and only started existing as one nation in 1871.
trivia to annoy Italians, napolitan immigrants arrived to America before Italian unification. they made pizza, therefore American Pizza predates Italian pizza on the technicality that Italy didn’t exist
The earliest pizzeria in the US opened in 1905, long after Italy existed as a nation-state.
that’s assuming that napolitans did not make pizza in the US until they opened a pizzeria.
Thanks, that helped a lot… I didn’t even consider many smaller kingdoms. Don’t know why.
If you want a mindfuck, check out what the Holy Roman Empire consisted of lol. Germany and central Europe used to be full of tiny kingdoms, principalities and whatnot.
Thanks. That graphic is great.
Look at their parents. If they are both Italian, so is their offspring. How do you know if the parents are Italian? Look at their parents. If they are all Italian, the parents are Italian. How do you know if all of them are Italian? Look at their parents. Just look at parents until you come to the Etruscans and revoke everyone’s citizenship because there are no Italians.
the sentence says: is the person applying an immediate descendent of a parent who is an Italian citizen?
That’s it, no grandparent or great grandparent lineage anymore. Is your mom or dad, a legal Italian citizen?
