• eldavi@lemmy.ml
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    4 days ago

    watching abughazaleh misunderstand leftist theory so much that i’m capable of picking it up at my level of leftis understanding made me assume that she was a dnc plant intended to prevent us from going further left.

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      It’s more likely the reverse: she is a climber trying to find her way up the party hierarchy, using the cynical toolkits that liberals pick up when trying to come across as left while actually holding predominately right wing liberal views. These people are a dime a dozen and most party staffers and bureaucrats and elected officials are some version of this, though many never had any need to pretend to be left.

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      You’re going to know more than just about anybody who would run as a Democrat. If somebody knows more and is doing it anyway, the burden is on them to demonstrate that, and I would expect such a candidate to be aware of that (and they wouldnt care because there is no relevant left in the United States anyway beyond the DSA).

      Anyway, if we want to do the fourth Hasan Piker struggle session thread this week, let’s get into it, but he is endorsing purely as for anti-AIPAC reasons while vocally denouncing her foreign policy stances. This is perfectly on brand for someone like him on the non-aligned USian left, nobody is actually shocked by this.

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        You’re going to know more than just about anybody who would run as a Democrat.

        that’s genuinely terrifying; i’m a neophyte to understanding leftist theory.

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          Oh right yeah that’s why you’ll find that people on the online left get pretty agitated pretty quickly when it comes to Democrats. We know from theory and history that it is impossible to do truly revolutionary activity on our own, and we need an organized movement in order yo find any success.

          Many theory nerds will point out that the most succesful revolutions that succeeded in overthrowing capitalism (the Soviet Union and China being prominent examples) were organized by a vanguard party. One may disagree or be uncomfortable with certain tactics used to get there, or with policies enacted after the revolution, but these are worth investigating and contending with because the success isn’t really deniable. If everything went 100% right for us, we hope we are faced with similar decisions, and if we put in the work, we hope we will make even better decisions.

          That said, people with similar values often will run for office in a futile attempt to make things better without a true revolution (rememeber, Democrats are a pro-capitalism party). Many on the online left have no patience for this engagement, because almost every instance of this happening has resulted in these politicians capitulating to the party machine around them.

          In the Hasan+Kat case, he is explicitly doing “lesser evilism” to chip away at AIPAC influence, even though Kat has an even worse than expected foreign policy. Good news is that she is just 26 (couldn’t say I was better at that age), bad news is that if she wins, it is less likely that she will develop on that front (but I’d be very happy to be wrong).

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            It’s also really, really hard to keep waiting for some Vanguard party to emerge when it hasn’t happened since the last century. I can see people turning to elections to try and do something beyond the nebulous “organize” that amounts to a lot of wheel spinning.

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        4 days ago

        that explains why they keep showing up together in all of the gay spaces that i frequent.

        every time is see them, it makes me wish i had something to say that will get all the queer liberals within the establishment to understand how full of shit they are.

  • Damarcusart [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    3 days ago

    At the risk of coming back to a struggle session in the replies to my comment, what even is a “retweet” anyway? I’ve never seriously asked, I know what it does functionally but I’m not aware what it does socially. Does a retweet always mean “I support this?” Or is it just “I want to make people aware that this exists” in a more neutral sort of way? Or something else entirely? I’ve never used that hellsite so I’m not familiar with the social ramifications of retweeting something.

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      3 days ago

      depends on alignment really, sometime endorsement, sometimes making fun of, if it’s non-obvious there will be reply typically

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      Oh, it’s not about hasan, this is meant to shit on everyone endorsing her, including ilhan and rashida, justice for some dems.

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      4 days ago

      Socdem with basically neocon foreign policy. Not to make too many excuses, but this is likely due to inexperience/ignorance + Ameri-leftism than a core conviction, but if you’re running for United States Congress that’s a pretty damn thin excuse.

      She is an anti-zionist Palestinian so AIPAC has dumped a bunch of money to stop her, though. (The practical alternative, naturally, is the AIPAC lib candidate, so pick your poison).