Can someone please come out with a phone that’s an actual computer and help stop this nonsense?
Phones cost a lot of money at this point and I’m completely sick of them being some locked down, surveillance ridden pile of crap. A reasonably built one would be able to replace a laptop at this point if it weren’t for these artificial constraints imposed by the stupid fucking suits running things.
Valve should make a Linux phone. Smaller Steam Deck with a modem
I would LOVE a linux phone
There was an Ubuntu phone. It failed.
furilabs flx1s. I’m using one
Battery life is limited by cell modem drivers being closed source and having to be reverse engineered.
I have been looking into an alternate hybrid radio device using Reticulum. Though with that comes a new less convenient user experience for a lot of apps.
I like the idea of a continuum capable module desktop like canonical and Microsoft promised years ago.
https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/astro-slide-5g
This sounds up your ally
Pretty sure they meant a smartphone with a desktop OS installed on it (eg Linux phones), not just “phone that looks kinda like a laptop but still uses Android”
https://www.www3.planetcom.co.uk/devices-specification
That’s why I recommended this, their devices dual boot Android or Linux. One of their older devices quad boots by default
This isn’t a fly by night operation, it’s got a loyal fanbase, and good hardware and software support. They’ve been manufacturing for a decade, before that this guys were doing PDAs.
There, exacly what you want.
Here’s a more budget one.GPD has been making “mini laptops” for a long while, now they try to make similar gaming handheld.
I’m not sponoered nor I’ve bought this for myself. (yet)dude. you can just install a custom rom.
As long as your phone model is supported by any custom mod. I have checked compatibility for almost all smartphones I owned, some 7 or 8 through the years.
Not a single one of them was ever supported by a custom mod.
but you did not check custom rom aupport before you bought tgem, cause did not want freedom and moddability. its on you.
I consider price and technical specifications. I don’t have 200€ to spend on a phone. Most phones I bought were less than 100€ new. What I care about a phone is that it supports two SIM cards.
With such constraints, choice is quite limited unfortunately.
Is it worth having a free device? Indeed. Is it worth spending 4 times the price just for that? Not to me.
Intentionally non-standard hardware does not get a real custom rom. It’s just a mod of Android which Google can render intentionally incompatible any time they want
not like linux phones are super compatible
I do not consider this a win, and I will continue applying pressure where I can.
Please share how
- The official developer verification feedback form: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeN8qv6GRTztqsXy6P8P2_Q93BOIIkT2X7sOQKesQD_LCvnKw/viewform
- Android on X: https://x.com/Android
It’s not side loading. It’s installing software on the device you probably paid multiple thousands for that you no longer own.
Multiple thousands!? My phone was like $250
not all people are americans
That’s multiple thousands in some countries
Lol same, I spent $250 on a used pixel 8, threw grapheneos on it the day I got it. Honestly my dream scenario right now is that sailfish let’s me just purchase a sailfish X license for a community port
Congratulations!
Multiple thousands!? No phone isn’t worth that much. Bloody marketing brainwashing people into accepting exorbitant prices for everything.
“”““sideloading””“”, oh look who cant say installing software
“Sideloading” is the “jaywalking” of the mobile space
Microsoft appeared to walk back Recall until they suddenly brought it back unannounced and doubled down. So I’ll believe it when I see it
Yeah corpos don’t respect consumers or norms of human dignity, they’ll just do what they want more quietly if you complain. The only real solution is to break up monopolies (ideally for the last several decades).
To call the install of apps of your choice as «sideloading», means that they have won.
That’s the name of the command, though. It’s
adb sideload. Anything else is installing.That’s not even true. If you install an app through adb, the command is
adb install <path/to/app.apk>adb sideload is for installing OTA packages
bs, i did install apks before using
adb sideloadit worksI don’t know if adb sideload will fallback to a regular install, maybe it does as a convenience for people who don’t read the docs? In any case, you said:
That’s the name of the command, though.
And I demonstrated that you’re wrong by linking to the official man page (aka the docs) directly from the master branch of the public git repo. Here’s the relevant part which describes the sideload command:
sideload OTAPACKAGE Sideload the given full OTA package OTAPACKAGE.
idc what those stupid docs say. i know i installed apps with that command before
And I’ve installed apps with
adb install file.apk, your point?the docs about
adb sideloadis wrong. thats my point bec they dont say you can install apps with it
Exactly?..
As someone else explained, it is not. The command is
adb install.Why did you feel the need to say it, too? You aren’t adding anything.
What is this comment of yours doing, then?
I’m writing an app that I will distribute only through f-droid. The people I would like to share it with are typical, non-technical android users. Before those changes I could just send them a link to f-droid apk and explain it’s just another app store or send a link to the apk directly and probably most of them would be able to install it. Now I would have to tell them to do all those weird things first, things that look suspicious and that they would not understand the purpose of. I don’t think anyone will be wiling to do it. This is not a win. The effect will be exactly the same - serious limits on distributing apps though alternative channels.
If antitrust was being enforced, Google execs wouldn’t even dream of attempting this bullshit.
Antitrust regulation is probably the easiest way to fix the biggest problems in our society, it is 100% bipartisan, and it is easy to explain to the average US voter. The only group that is against it is the billionaires/ultra wealthy. Instead, politicians are all hyperfocused on culture war mudslinging and bullshit that makes no difference.
Break up Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and Meta (just to start), and watch how the tech industry explodes with innovation again, and the tech billionaire becomes an endangered species. The AI bubble will burst as companies actually need to compete to survive, and thus won’t be burning as much resources on crap that clearly doesn’t work.
I, as the owner of my device, don’t want to wait 24h.
I hope this will popularize the ROM community again. It gradually faded out due to mainstream ROMs having every perk of the custom ROMs but now the custom ROMs can start offering freedom, which no official ROM will offer.
Is there a tap to pay system that works on custom ROMs? I thought those really required SafetyNet/PlayIntegrity/Whatever-it-is-now.
I would rather not give up tap to pay but I will if I have to. It seems like trying to Magisk my way into getting Google Wallet to work would be a PITA.
I, as the owner of my device, don’t want to wait 24h.
then dont. adb is instant
Why would I need a computer to do something that the computer that I already have in my hand can and should do?
bec malware. people get hacked on android and make google look bad.
Because google is so productive about eliminating malware from the play store and all of its scam advertising. This is not about protecting the vulnerable, this is about control and forcing people into their ecosystem.
It is always like this. Make a very anti consumer decision that everyone hates, then tone it down so the half of those people will say “we won”. This is a loss.
Reading the article it looks like they found a decent middle ground. It lays out how the steps help prevent people from getting scammed.
The middle ground is the middle ground between user freedom and corporate control. Which is not a spectrum you want to be in the middle of.
This is like getting a pay rise that’s below inflation. That’s a pay cut. And this is a loss.
still just not gonna update my phone for a while until they’ve for sure have allowed side loading. Got my pixel because it’s just a nice phone, and i can put graphene on it when it’s paid off. Half of my apps are all from f-droid, too.
You cannot install graphene until it is paid off?
Some carriers lock the bootloader until you’ve paid off the phone.
Phones produced for sale through Verizon have a permanently locked bootloader.
Fuck Verizon for this exact reason. Never buy from them direct if you can help it.
Didn’t realize this when switching. Went through a whole kerfuffle to cancel the trade in deal.
Phone agent sounded perplexed when I wanted to keep my old Pixel 7 Pro lol.
Why is that?
Would you be able to change the IMEI as I would have thought those were encoded on the hardware chip. If you could it means they couldn’t blacklist the phone if you stopped paying.
Paying you can spoof it
xfinity locks the bootloader until you get your phone paid off and you call them to get it unlocked
Of course we didn’t win. the more hoops you have to jump through, the fewer people who will install their own apps and then you lose all of the community support. And Google didn’t promise not to change their plans in the future. So you know that they’ll promise this now. Maybe they’ll backtrack a little if they have to and they will try to ratchet things up six months later anyway.
Real solutions involve either breaking up monopolies or breaking up monopolies, which is why some of the other cell phone vendors’ actions recently look positive. If there are two versions of Android that are popularly used, then the banks will have to support both of them and then everyone can run away from Google whenever they feel like it. But if there’s only one popular version and Android itself gets more and more locked down then that is Google seizing the entire market and they will cut out all of the other cell phone manufacturers as soon as they can. that will be just as bad as Apple.
My galaxy will let me install but then I get this when I try to run the app:
Disable Google Play Protect. It’s a scam that doesn’t protect you at all, it just gives more control to Google.
Google Play Protect is designed to protect Google Play from competitors
Christ
I had this too. I installed it from playstore but maintain the software now via aurora. So far it works…
Narrator: No, they did not, in fact, win.
no.
i’ll look into this, but they seem to have used the old strategy of announcing something absurd then back down to what they wanted because of “community pressure”
bonus for not looking bad in comparison, while still being bad.
