“Democrats chose genocide over winning in 2024,” one Palestinian rights advocate said. “When does this stop?”

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    if dems don’t hold the correct position on israel’s war in 2028, then groypers will take over the gop in maga’s place.

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      Always forget what these stupid names mean and had to look it up.

      The Groypers, or the Groyper Army, are a far-right group loosely defined as the followers, fans, or supporters of political activist and online streamer Nick Fuentes. They are named after a variant of Pepe the Frog, an Internet meme.

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      You say that and yet the nightmare scenario of Tucker Carlson winning the GOP nomination on an anti-isreal platform (sincere or not) inches closer and closer. The DNC is going to prove to be more rigidly Zionist than the Republicans .

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        if we get out-human-rights-support 'ed by tucker frickin carlson then we deserve to lose. The dems need to find a way to make it work without aiapc funding. If they do that they can win.

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          Too many of them are true believers. For example Joe Biden wasn’t a Zionist because of AIPAC. He did it for the love of the game.

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            Biden was the #1 recipient of AIPAC loot. Its probably how he was picked for Obamas VP and why Obama pretended to like him.

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              It’s worth understanding the causation here. Was Joe Biden a staunch Zionist because of AIPAC funding? Or did AIPAC fund Biden knowing he was a staunch Zionist in order to ensure he would win?

              To me, especially post Oct-7th, Biden seemed like a true believer. He seemed to believe in the Zionist project in the form of unconditional support of the Israeli government (no matter who was in power there) as part of his personal sense of morality. As in, don’t steal , don’t lie, support isreal. It’s why he wasn’t able to even try to reign in Israel no matter how much Bibi humiliated him or openly colluded with Trump or whatever.

              Having a geopolitical stance as a part of your basic personal morality (as opposed to a reasoned stance based on available information) is of course incredibly stupid and dangerous. But that’s my read on Biden.

              Meanwhile a guy like Cory Booker seems to have just knowingly sold out to AIPAC and is now committed to that position. AIPAC is designed to create an easy path for American politicians in terms of a certain degree if good PR in the press and campaign funding. Many politicians simply took that deal. Biden never struck me as one of these, especially not at the end.

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      Not surprised. These politicians have a platform for information distribution that yields results of their favor, and they have interests tethered to the entities which resolve their financial needs. How should we the people create a party that favors our interests while we do not contain a platform for information distribution — relative to the current behemoths, at least?

      Who’s going to report on and create excitement for a grassroots movement that favors the working class to over the capitalists? Nobody. So how’s it going to get started? There is no platform.

      Worse yet, these sort of goals would consume influence over masses of people. I say “consume” because influence is not infinite. To oversimplify what I’m saying: if you win blue voters, you lost red voters. The current platform maintainers (republicans, democrats) understand this dynamic, as well as their enablers (the capitalists), and these Goliaths will happy stomp on any ants they happen to find.

      We’ve backed ourselves into a pretty fucked up corner.

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    DNC Chair Ken Martin touted a resolution passed on April 9 that condemns the “corrosive influence” of dark money on Democratic primaries but does not single out AIPAC or any other specific interest group.

    “We had various resolutions that focused on different industries and groups, and instead of going one-by-one, we passed a blanket repudiation,” Martin said on social media, adding that he supports an end to dark money in politics.

    Instead of just banning AIPAC by name, they’re going after all the PACs.

    For those of you who just started paying attention to politics, AIPAC isnt Israel’s first attempt. The last one had to register as a foreign agent, and AIPAC showed up immediately to replace it’s predecessor.

    Ban just AIPAC, and a PAC that’s exactly the same but with a new name shows up and does the same shit.

    I understand why billionaire owned media pretends to not understand that, but it’s very depressing that voters seem incapable of realizing it unless a millionaire paid by a billionaire tells them

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      But they can do both? If they’ve already banned it, then why prevent an extra symbolic measure?

      So the dnc released all the information on what was banned to actually help people check if they actually banned pacs and dark money?

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        If AIPAC gets a special ban, then different groups with their own least favorite will ask why we aren’t banning that one, and billionaire owned media will say the DNC supports that.

        The only logical solution that doesn’t waste a shit ton of time and effort, is to blanket ban all of them at once.

        They don’t have infinite time and energy waste on shit. The more individual ones moving, the slower the one that abns everyone moves…

        So the dnc released all the information on what was banned to actually help people check if they actually banned pacs and dark money?

        The votes that just happened were at the committee level…

        After that it goes to all voting members.

        Expect a statement after that vote.

        The DNC has released nothing about either, because they never do until after the full vote.

        Like, I think your confusion is you think the DNC was making any announcements about this stuff, when it was just the billionaire owned media from CNN to Faux News all “independently” releasing the same stories almost verbatim within minutes of each other.

        Can you honestly not see how this is a hot job against the DMC because the people who control the media no longer control the DNC?

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          So just boils down to we don’t want to cut off the money spigot and can blame others for that

          Can you honestly not see how this is a hot job against the DMC because the people who control the media no longer control the DNC?

          That would make sense if we’ve seen a single thing from the dnc that shows it’s changed at all.

          Like, I think your confusion is you think the DNC was making any announcements about this stuff, when it was just the billionaire owned media from CNN to Faux News all “independently” releasing the same stories almost verbatim within minutes of each other.

          I’ve seen more from those within the dnc either happy with this decision or fucking disappointed than from CNN or Fox News. You can’t keep blaming the billionaires for the dnc constant failures

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      Okay this is a cope. It’s an All Lives Matter-style fig leaf that pretends people can’t condemn two things at once.

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    I think we are now past the point of giving Ken Martin any more benefit of the doubt. He’s part of the problem and he needs to gtfo along with the zionists.

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      Honestly him immediately working to get David Hogg out for saying the things dems needed to do to actually get votes should have eliminated any support for Ken