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Never gonna stop pointing out that you should reject false binaries and derail the trolley.
so you’re choosing to kill an unknown unreported number of passengers, in order to save 6 people.
by rejecting the binary, you created a new binary.
The reality is this is an absurd proposition (absurd in the philosophical sense). Trollies have safety features and if you understand engineering, you understand that things are designed to fail safely.
If something were to cause the trolley to hit anyone, that’s a freak accident caused by a casaced of decisions that were made before you had the option to pull the lever. No one would hold you accountable for your decision, and the reality is the choice you make doesn’t matter. Just go to therapy afterwards please.
Explore more ridiculous trolley questions here.
One more thing, another version of the trolley question is this:
Suppose six people are in a coma. One person will recover without intervention. Five will die unless they all receive organ transplants from the person that would otherwise survive. Do you intervene, killing one person to saving save five, or standby, watching five die while one survives.
If you’re obsessed with putting everything in this framework then derailing all trolleys will always have a lower deathtoll than the system of tying people to rails to create trolley problems.
but they stop using trolley problems to teach anything after philosophy 101 because it’s a single tool that’s for examining one single thing that turns out to actually be the process of decision making and not morality or values or anything people want to use it for. it’s a meme, it has a million variations because that’s how jokes work. you weren’t supposed to apply it to the real world
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no, I reject getting rid of the trolley because public transportation is best…
I think we all know it’s a fucking meme.
Well, you got me there ¯\(ツ)/¯
Looking at the picture, the terrain is flat. If it were to make the corners after the rail switch without derailing due to speed it wouldn’t go faster than roughly 15km/h, so derailing would kill no one inside, nor anyone at the switch, or standing close, as de derailment would mean a near immediate stop due to the weight. The G forces with this stop are minimal and people might bump their hear or something, likely not enough for a concussion. Even if it were to go 20 or 30 the chance of lethal injury would be insanely low. I doubt city trolleys go faster than 30, especially around rail switches.
What choice did that person make? If was freed by them solo or from a group that could influence the decision and their reaction
That person didn’t pull the lever to save you alone and let 5 people die. Will you return the favor?
Yeah, because next time you would need all 5 of the others to decide not to kill you, whereas you and the bound one now have rapport, you’ve both saved one another and both have slain 5 others
Why would you need all 5? It’s enough when one of them is in that position. That’s five times as likely when it’s 5 people versus only one. Maybe next time you’re on the other side and make the person pull the lever even harder when they know you but not the single person. You might say, why would they return the favor when they know you didn’t, but you just killed the one person who knew.
But that’s the problem about consequentialism. It’s easy to say, just choose the best option, when in reality you never know all the variables.
let it go forward, as otherwise you will be in the previous guy’s spot for the surviving people at the bottom.
this opens up the question if the top person and the lever operator switch places ad infinitum, crushing 5 people at the bottom each turn
growing out of utilitarianism saves you from trolley problems. you’re welcome, put me on the track now
Gemini, generate a picture of survivor guiltCaptain Kirk saved me from all trolley problems.
