I am just noticing that Unruffled proposed to refederate Lemmygrad to dbzer0. The people who upvoted aren’t a surprise. What is sad is the db0 was one of the upvoters and this was nine months ago.
It loses the fun alliteration, but we’re gonna have to change it from the “Tankie Triad” to the “Tankie Quintad”
Opening their account and get hit with
Tankies blame the SPD for the death of Karl Liebknecht.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/58731936/24997908
Like??? yeah??? Wer hat uns verraten??? Wer wars denn nun?
edit: since this comment got linked might as well tell you all to fucking read “The german revolution” by Pierre Broue and here the thread where Emopunker took every chance to confirm that fedditors are required by law to be zionists.
hell yeah i pissed them enough that they spun off a thread just for me!
i love hearing about the psychic damage i’ve inflicted
Plus I am half Sinti, a demsoc, panromantic and nonbinary. If this was a nazi bar, I wouldn’t be here.
just cataloguing the charming people that place attracts:
embarrassing dm i received
Every single time.
You know its a good thread when Cowbee and Diva are in it.
Haha, seems there are plenty of those!
hell yeah it is
What lovely ableism, from the “we’re all demsocs, we just tolerate Nazi dogwhistles that Goat has to say stop, and we tolerate ableism and explicit racism too”
jokes on them, i don’t even take adderall, i’m just like this au natural
The person that dm’d you that dumb shit somehow managed to turn the response thread into a circular firing squad lmao
i would hope at least some of them start to question why they are so often surrounded by transphobes. not going to hold my breath though
That would require a moment of self-reflection, which is like pulling teeth to people like this
They certainly are not, bringing up nutomic to deflect (despite his opinions clearly not impacting moderation here) and blaming secret hexbear infiltrators rather than reflect on why they find themselves surrounded by people like that.
@TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org the people you hang out with are fine with calling trans women degenerate roaches and receive no moderation in that space
why are you surprised when that attracts people who think misgendering is okay?
“We don’t support transphobia here, except we are currently supporting transphobia”
Hey @TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org kindly go fuck yourself. You’re a transphobe who posts in a Nazi table community.
You keep getting so angry at people documenting your actions in the Nazi bar, and your words being used against you.
Maybe just remove the posts while also starting a harassment campaign like your admin buddies? You’ll feel guilt free for it, like before.
like clockwork, they finally caught a rule 1 (temp) instance ban and there’s a cm0000002 post rending their garments about how it’s “bigotry” to speak ill of lemmy.ml.
like bruh the rule 1 ban is probably more related to this activity. the i report i made probably just showed up for the .ml admins too:
Transphobia is good enough it’s anti-communist enough, only commies support gender identity!
MWoG keeps exposing themselves and thinks it’s actually .ml being evil not tolerating transphobia.
cm0002 is now the admin of lemy.lol
Lol
Two things can be true at once! Just because the banned user was a transphobe who deserved the ban, that in no way lessens the absolute travesty of injustice of banning them! In fact, it’s worse to ban people who deserve bans, somehow!
They never let a little thing like reality get in the way of their two-minutes hate, do they?
Oh that’s the user that asked about ttrpg because they needed a new instance… Because no one likes their behavior but maybe they’ll join sjw?
love too collect identities and then use them to axiomatically prove how right I am
No man worked as hard to bring about fascism in Germany than Friedrich Ebert. Not even the Nazis themselves.
the Tankie Tetrahedron has 4 faces, each with 3 sides
4 faces: engels, marx, stalin, mao
3 sides: thesis, antithesis, synthesis
these 12 lines make up the foundation of a unifying social theory:
- insurrectionary memes
- antifa corporate retreats
- liberation postmaxxing
- revolutionary defeatism
- gay crime alchemy
- sopranos quotes
- becoming chinese
- anti-gamer action
- 42069
- volcel police state
- over the counter surveillance
- trains
The VOLCEL POLICE are on the scene! PLEASE KEEP YOUR VITAL ESSENCES TO YOURSELVES AT ALL TIMES.
نحن شرطة VolCel.بناءا على تعليمات الهيئة لترويج لألعاب الفيديو و النهي عن الجنس نرجوا الإبتعاد عن أي أفكار جنسية و الحفاظ على حيواناتكم المنويَّة حتى يوم الحساب. اتقوا الله، إنك لا تراه لكنه يراك.
If you take a step back from the meme, it’s even more accurate because who in their right mind would trust Shawn Michael’s?
I think nearly any discussion of 1920s Germany at this point is getting lost in the sauce. I don’t think anything about that context carries any weight with most people outside of internet political forums. Even if you educate someone about the context and convince them your take on it is correct, you still have to climb the mountain of “and how does that relate to today?” And while there are some parallels, there are a lot of enormous differences.
If someone brings up Weimar Germany, the best response is usually “cool, back to Iran/Palestine/ICE…” rather than jumping down into the weeds with them.
disagree, the war credits debate that led to the split is almost beat for beat like the pissrael funding and the fallout should tell people why people need to split the dem party. Or applied to germany the rearmament movement and eu-army sentiments that are springing up left and right.
Edit: we again have a pre-revolutionary russia, europes contradictions sharpening and eyeing an attack to the east, we are gonna see a repeat of the tragedy of the 1910s (as a farce?) and better know about the fallout like luxemburg said
Friedrich Engels once said: “Bourgeois society stands at the crossroads, either transition to socialism or regression into barbarism.” […] In this war imperialism has won. Its bloody sword of genocide has brutally tilted the scale toward the abyss of misery. The only compensation for all the misery and all the shame would be if we learn from the war how the proletariat can seize mastery of its own destiny and escape the role of the lackey to the ruling classes.
emphasis me
Even if you educate someone about the context and convince them your take on it is correct
Because we’re skipping past this part to the “here’s how it’s relevant to today” part, I want to again emphasize that educating someone about the internal party dynamics of the Weimar Republic and convincing them your take is correct is a herculean task in its own right. This is reasons 1-100 of why delving into this topic is a poor way of convincing anyone of anything.
But assume you’ve educated me on all the context and I agree with you about who’s at fault for what in 1920s Germany. When trying to apply that to today you still run into huge points of disagreement like:
- That was a parliamentary system and we have just two parties, right? Doesn’t that change the “split the party” discussion quite a bit?
- What about all the ballot access issues that would come with splitting from Democrats?
- If we’re successful splitting from Democrats, can’t they just run in our primaries like we occasionally run in theirs? There isn’t a way to expel people from parties in the U.S. the way there is in European parties, right?
- Was there a huge lobby on one side of the war credits debate that exists in parallel with a huge imperial interest in an overseas colony?
- Germany had just lost a devastating war in its front yard. The U.S. doesn’t have anything like that today, right?
- Germany had its colonies stripped away after WWI while they U.S. is the premier imperial power of today. Doesn’t that change a lot?
- Weren’t the conditions of the average German worker far different from the conditions of the average U.S. worker today? How comparable is a guy driving an Uber to a guy in a factory?
The comparison adds more complexity rather than clarifies, and it opens up a dozen theoretical rabbit holes to get lost in.
I guess I see your point, I was reading it as a german with a german perspective and
might as well be a pitcure of me while reading it (I never got around to finish it sadly). Although a lot of people probably will not agree with me that the parallels are as self-evident I guess.Also just to clarify the book starts in the 1910s and goes through WW1 up until 1923, not that it makes a difference for your point.
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The vote didn’t even pass, lmao. As cool as I think it would be for dbzer0 to decide to fed with Grad, they decided not to.
Why is dbzero cool with hexbear but not grad?
Hexbear is left-unity, dbzer0 is largely anarchist, Grad is 99% ML. Hex and dbzer0 have that anarchist overlap, but there’s little ML overlap between Grad and dbzer0. That said, Hex seems to be mostly ML so I imagine in time Grad and dbzer0 may federate. Or, rather, dbzer0 may reciprocate, Grad doesn’t really defed from anywhere serious.
Edit:
Lmao, they think Hex is manipulating dbzer0 into defederating from Zionists, and used this comment as evidence. Nah, being Zionists is what got you defederated, something anarchists and Marxists can 100% agree on is support for Palestine.
That makes sense and thanks for the lore. In practice I think Hexbear is 99% ML also, but the difference is that HB is less serious. Personally I prefer that because I don’t think anonymous forums can ever be leveraged to organize, due to being public and open. Hexbear does it right. It’s mostly for sharing information and building camaraderie/optimism and fighting that lonely feeling when everyone IRL is liberal or worse.
Honestly, as a user of Grad and Bear, Grad is often pretty goofy too. Rather than being “serious,” I’d say it’s quieter and more chill. Hexbear is more energetic and fun, but I find myself preferring Grad from time to time and have an account there. There’s no party building or anything over on Grad. As for Hex, I’d say you’re underestimating the number of Maoists, anarchists, etc. MLs may be the majority, but there’s quite a bit of variety here.
As for Hex, I’d say you’re underestimating the number of Maoists, anarchists, etc. MLs may be the majority, but there’s quite a bit of variety here.
Also I think there’s at least a few of us who are more non-denominational leftists for lack of a better term
Personally I don’t see labels as being all that useful beyond the fact that someone calling themselves a socialist or a communist proves that they aren’t scared of being called one
Ya I think the same. Declaring a specific ideology makes sense for a party, less so for an individual. A party has to define its aims, strategy, etc. so there is a practical need to clarify an ideological basis. As an individual, I learn from Marx, Lenin, and Mao but wouldn’t say I’m MLM. Though in principle I could join an organization that calls itself that. Anyway all these “isms” start to feel utopian and dogmatic which I am allergic to as a Marxist (intentionally ironic)
Tbh I think its even cringe to call yourself a “communist” if you aren’t an active member of a communist party
Yep, I know a lot of people here are the same way! I do value the consistency that comes from identifying myself as ML, but I also used to consider myself generally left.
Fair enough!
oh no, am i the 1%?
Hexbear does it right. It’s mostly for sharing information and building camaraderie/optimism and fighting that lonely feeling when everyone IRL is liberal or worse.
in my younger years i’d a lot of run-ins with ‘ML’ parties that were pretty shitty about being trans/gay; way too serious while simultaneously being deeply unserious. it’s why i tended to stick to anarchist groups.
definitely a better balance here, plus where i’m currently at irl i’ve run into quite a lot of trans comrades that are ML/maoist such that it gives me hope that those issues aren’t set in stone.
Db0 tends to skew anarchist, while grad doesn’t have our rules against sectarianism and is quite willing to throw shade
Don’t remember this vote happening. Wish I could have contributed.
It was many months ago IIRC
db0 had a vote and it failed! This is proof they’re evil!!!
As opposed to .world who defederates without saying anything and says it’s actually a good thing because they’re bigger.
Did you know the Feddit.org OP for Zionism and said that only rabid antizionists said he was was a zionist?
Also he’s currently malding over this thread. He’s so upset he has to go to the place that makes him mad by [checks notes] documenting actions of him.
Huh, I wonder why a Zionist who posts in a Nazi bar on a explicitly Zionist instance would hate about people documenting actions…
Bonus ableism from a commenter in a thread saying Diva is using too much medication.
link or lib
https://sh.itjust.works/post/59028025
I was actually just there to make fun of that godawful nickname, ‘quintad’ isn’t even a word guys
I think my favorite part is how according to them
a lot of the admins were on board with it and just months later they did a big campaign to get feddit.org defederated by calling it a Zionist instance even though the people from db0 who got banned legitimately said hateful and antisemitic shit.
“The campaign” being that they had a vote on if they should take a hard stance on zionism
Also at the time emopunker, another admin, made a post using their admin ability to see upvotes
These users highlighted started getting transphobic DM abuse shortly after.
there’s been a handful of burner accounts being transphobic and saying Nazi/zionist shit in the wake of the .world zionism drama too. Just a coincidence im sure
Oh she isn’t a feddit.org admin. She admins some tiny piefed instance I think?
i gotta get in front of this before you guys mangle another nickname (seriously ‘the tankie troika’ was right there) and ‘the tankie pyatyorka’ is way better
I was actually just there to make fun of that godawful nickname, ‘quintad’ isn’t even a word guys
Quin means five so they fucked that up too, unless there’s a secret fifth “tankie” instance.
Anarchist.nexus + dbzer0 for the five with hexbear, .ml, and lemmygrad
Ah but then they’ll have to add quokka, and maybe slrpnk soon after. Shit this list keeps growing. What are they now at? The septika?
What do you reckon is the odds on the shitlib instances declaring each other tankies before the year is out?
Maybe the tankies are the friends we made along the way
:mccarthy:
I’ve seen FiniteBanjo say that asking for support for the software the website he used was meaning .world was infested with Tankies.
a specter is haunting, etc
Anyone who doesn’t instantly do what butthurt colonist admins want is now Tankie, must be defederated.
At this point, .world just proves they’re everything they accused ml and Hexbear of.
Every accusation etc etc
Nah, solarpunk main admin defended the feddit admins during the first drama about them banning anti-zionists, i say midwestsocial will be next because their leftist admin dislikes biden and kamala
Isnt slrpnk admin’d by g*rmans too?
Yep, just like lemmy.world’s only active admin, lemmyverse germans sure love zionism
But also if there were 5 we should totally call ourselves the Tankie Pentagon because that’d really piss them off
Zionist instance even though the people from db0 who got banned legitimately said hateful and antisemitic shit.
Surely they have evidence of this, right? Like how Rimu said admins publicly declared death of Kaplan, when it was banning an admin for a Zionist talking point, and only called him that in a modlog.
Never replied to anyone who said that wasn’t calling for death, even when Serinus banned and removed comments for Rimu.
Oh I know the answer here: “Death to Israel” and “From the River to the Sea” are actually calls to genocide and that’s why they are antisemitic and anyone posting them is just using them as a dogwhistle to hide their real goal of killing all jews (from the g*rmans POV at least)
It’s funny how .world and all of MWoG insist that everyone else is actually in kahoots when they are quite literally funded by an explicitly zionist organization, remove comments calling anything against that out, and then wonder why people say they are Zionists.
If you replace the word with any other philosophy, people wouldn’t care. But since they support the mass genocide, they care a lot.
https://lemmy.today/comment/23760789
“Db0 users told me to kill myself for believing the lies of Hasan shocking his dog.”
“Okay who did that?”
“A user who wasn’t on db0 as no account existed there”
Top minds at work at MWoG.
@mathemachristian@hexbear.net irony is dead, complaining about this snark thread making fun of their snark threads in the comm specifically dedicated to snarking .ml/grad/hexbear
who cares about getting instance banned if these people keep posting the crowning jewel of my modlog for me? Do they think it’s embarassing to call out contemporary g*rmany’s role in a contemporary genocide?
Also my accidental instance ban/unban made my blahaj profile federate but they caught it and scrubbed my profile pic and banner 😆
Oooh also love this
The racism?
Racist abe lincoln quote
but it wasn’t the quote that got me banned, it was posting readsettlers.org as the subsequent ban of my blahaj account shows
jonsjava clearly thinks this is anti-white racism but just won’t say it out loud
lmao how dare you quote abraham lincoln
tanteregenbogen:
there’s proven racism on the account!!!peak disingenuous. I can see why the hasans-dog smear still has traction with people like this.
I love that you're still coming back to here though.
dawg, here’s a whole post i made documenting all the people who are regulars on that comm calling me and others degenerate roaches. no posts have been removed, one user got a slap on the wrist, only to continue the same shit.
i said that whatever nutomic’s opinions are, it doesn’t influence moderation here. transphobia is banned/removed on sight. he has since retracted and apologized for his comments in that DM
I’m not thrilled with how guarded his language is, but he clearly is not well informed and this isn’t his native language.
You seem very quick to decry that because one admin has said sus shit that it reflects on the whole instance. Looks like selective outrage, let’s take a look at the admin hosting the comm that you’re posting on.
+bonus trans hexbear users are just lying about their identity to troll
here he is straight-up saying that he doesn’t see the transphobia in nutomics original post and citing the influence of ‘biological sex’ on performance
nutomic at that point had already apologized and retracted his statement. (it continues to get paraded around disingenuously though)
You’re surrounding yourself with transphobes @TanteRegenbogen@feddit.org
But she doesn’t support transphobia, they just love being around transphobes!
FYI she does use they/she, if you could please correct that
My apologies, correcting.
thanks!
I wish she could read 😔
sadly i think it’s worse, they can read but choose to misread.
i can understand why nutomic is guarded with his words when it’s obviously gonna get spun in the worst faith ways and then plastered all over pinned threads for toxic liberals, nazis and their eurocom apologists to airdrop into every conversation. tante just can’t resist proving me right i guess
Like I’m not even making a pinned thread for @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works, I just pointed out how they have no issue with him despite him straight up agreeing with nutomic’s original post! hell he was like practically the voice of reason in that thread compared to the dude calling us degenerates
and the dude in the OP who was being openly transphobic and saying hexbears should kysI can fix the nazi instance admin and we can together fight communism with a leftist perspective
this is kinda sad tbh
https://feddit.org/comment/12726565
Before I probably let it die down, I would like to say that I love the fact that I probably live rent free in the heads of the tankies and am probably almost as hated as PugJesus by them. It’s amazing how much energy you can put into this stuff, but since the weekend is over and I have a job and life, I wont be able to engage in trivial slapfights until after Mayday (cuz I actually touch grass, go to the massive labor rally on May 1, am active in an union and am probably gonna party (not the party MLs think, I mean an actual celebration and not a politically elitist club) with some friends [union members, anarchists and demsocs, two of which are other eurocoms. Hey I could say hi to a feddit admin in person for Diva ;) ])
Projection from the person who explicitly is a zionist, denied being one, and supported harassment of anti-zionists.
And since they definitely scanning this thread, From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free. Germans are experts in genocide, that’s why you and your government support it.
