Man criticises someone for kicking a guy in the head while he’s on the ground and restrained. People don’t like this. What? Genuinely don’t know what all the fuss is about but then I’m not following mainstream news much anymore so I must be missing something.
Have the press only being covering his comments and not showing the footage? Easy way to tip the outrage seesaw when the victim is accused of being guilty of something worse. Doesnt help hes of colour.
The guy had just stabbed two men with a knife. When the police used a tazer on him to get him on the ground and apparently kicked him, when he did not want to drop something, he was holding in his hand. They also had another guy controlled on the ground with a rucksack. So you know might have been a bomb or something. Also the guy who was kicked was not restrained at all. That was visible in the video and Polanski was just plain and simply wrong about that.
I can imagine the tazing the man does not help with his muscles being able to release the knife. Repeatedly kicking him in the head also does not seem like the way cops are trained to get someone to drop a weapon.
Here is the video for those who have not seen it https://streamable.com/e/jabdsn
This bodycam one is a bit longer, which I believe helps a bit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskBrits/comments/1t0p591/bodycam_footage_released_of_the_golders_green/
You can see that he first refuses to go to the ground. They then taze him and he falls on his back, but then turns over to seemingly protect the knife. You can tell in your video as well as in this one, that it least one of the policemen tries to turn him over first. So he is not trying to cooperate with the police at all, let alone freely drop the weapon and is able to move at least somewhat(he clearly turned himself over after all).
They probably should have called a third policemen at that point to turn him over, as having a third person clearly worked. They seem to also have stopped kicking his head, once they got the knife and him properly handcuffed.
Still given the situation, that was somewhat decent. In many countries, he would have been killed by the police in that situation.
The bodycam footage does not show the cop kicking his face very well and honestly the POV footage might be worse.
Most of the comments on Reddit are praising the cops for not instantly drawing their gun and executing a black man because America is apparently now the gold standard for policing. The “terrorist attack” angle is being mentioned as justification as well but that was concluded false. It was a mentally ill man who was released from a mental ward a few days earlier.
In the end a lot of the conclusions are being done in hindsight and used to justify attacking Zack Polanski. Zack called out what initially seemed a pretty egrigious use of force against the mentally ill man and probably still is. I think it is good someone tried to question whether the cops kicking the man in the face multiple time in a life-threatening way was actually an effective way to arrest him.
Also are the cops tasering the man after they put the cuffs on or what is that sound?
Even with this video. The multiple punches in the face was beyond the minimum necessary force police is required to use
What is the minimum necessary force for tackling someone with a knife and possibly a bomb?
There are certainly arguments to be had but seeing him react in near real-time before all the facts are clear says something about his priorities.
You don’t shoot thousands of volts into somebody who might have a bomb.
“He turns over to seemingly protect the knife.” Oh where did you find his thoughts to know he was trying to protect the knife?
“So he is not trying to cooperate with the police at all, let alone freely drop the weapon” well if he just got tazed he wouldn’t be able to cooperate with anybody. Do you even know what happens to your muscles when an electrical current passes through them??
Fucking pig apologist.
A long way of saying:
Man criticises someone for kicking a guy in the head while he’s on the ground and restrained. I don’t like this.
3 persons was stabbed but because the 3rd one is a Muslims, Islamophobic did not bother to mention that detail.
The video shows the man being kicked in the head after being restrained stop making apologia for the law enforcers. It reminds me of the German fascist police punching an unarmed women in the face and many people justified it by saying we don’t know the context.
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The antisemitic cartoons in 4 newspapers have been appalling. The press has been an absolute disgrace in this election.
The press has been an absolute disgrace in EVERY election. You only need to look at who owns most of the press to see why.
Exactly as we saw with Corbyn.
Yes, the media is biased and serving the interests of their owners.
As a political group we bang on and on about material conditions, but we sure do love to pretend that we’re operating on a fair and level playing field, and then feign surprise and outrage.
Is it fair that anyone to the left of Ghenis Khan is pilloried? No, of course it isn’t. But it frustrates me beyond belief that we refuse to learn that lesson.
We need to get past this idea that any individual is bigger than the movement. Like Corbyn before him, Polanski is both being unfairly targeted, and also giving easy hits by having said demonstrably dumb and/or false stuff.
Remember, this is the same media who crucified Ed Miliband, the atheist son of Jewish parents, over looking weird in a single photo while eating a bacon sandwich. And the same media who were beside themselves at Starmer (foolishly) accepting clothes and glasses, and yet are very quiet about Farage’s £5m bung.
The deck is stacked against us. We have to stop pretending it isn’t, and a big part of that is ruthlessly binning prominent people who make dumb mistakes. That’s sure as fuck unreasonable and unfair, but the alternative is continuing to damage progress.
It also means that when we are in power, we resist the urge to claw the fuck out of each other and be divided, which only benefits those with entrenched power and privilege.
Vote’s today, isn’t it? The Epstein class is scared. They don’t want to distribute their wealth.
Those billionaire owned media companies are quite powerful at social engineering.
Don’t need a billionaire owned media company to post something dumb as shit, Zack did this all by himself
Next time maybe spend more time worrying about the treatment of the victims than the guy who just stabbed them
We’ll see if it is once the election results are in. If the Green vote collapses, it is. If the Greens end up taking councils from Labour, maybe not.
Average british people will be the loser
I think I prefer the Lib Dems and Labour (when they can get their act together) to the Greens. One thing I dislike about the Greens is this policy:
I think the UK should keep its nukes for now, given that we are threatened by Russia. In the future we could be threatened by China and even the US.
Im certainly happier voting for them in local council elections
I wonder how all the other countries without nuclear weapons of mass destruction cope? Glad to live in the UK where we can kill millions at the push of a button.
I think the sad reality is that countries without nuclear weapons are at the mercy of nations with nuclear weapons. What would be gained if the UK and France, for example, were to get rid of their nukes? There’s absolutely no chance that the US/Russia/China will get rid of theirs. So then those countries would have a massive amount of leverage over Europe.
kill millions at the push of a button
I definitely hope nukes are not used. But the threat of vast destruction might be the only threat that the world’s authoritarian leaders are afraid of. If those leaders are afraid of nothing then they could launch their own terrible weapons at civilians across the world.
And you think these countries (China - which hasn’t been involved in military conflict for over 50 years - and Russia and ??) are secretly planning what? Invasion? Steal our women? Drive tanks through our front gardens? Eat our cats and dogs? Both those countries already own a great deal of property and investments here in the UK. People of China and Russia are like most of us: want peace. We’re governed by madmen and arms dealers who want to make us feel frightened and insecure all the time.
You think Russia wants peace? Russia has been invading Ukraine since 2014. They launched a war against their neighbour so they could grab its land and subjugate its people. It’s imperialism, and who knows when Russia will decide to stop.
Actually yes there are some people in Russia who want peace, and who protested against Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Such protests in Russia get you arrested though.
There’s even madmen in charge and arms dealers in Russia, don’t you know? Sure that you know there’s been conflict in the Crimea for centuries and there are some quite complex reasons why. I’m_ sorry that you feel that foreigners are out to get you and you need the ability to murderously exterminate them with nukes to feel safe - but each to their own.
But, when Vlad Putin is driving round my estate in a bright red sports car, the local Coop’s a Magnit superstore and Mr and Mr Boloksoff have camped in my back garden and are eyeing up the sofa in my front room I’ll apologise and say “Blimey, we really shoud have turned Eastern Europe to ashes in a huge cloud of atomic radiation when had the chance! Bastards!”
If you want all countries to give up their nukes then I would agree with that. Perhaps the US could theoretically achieve a world without nukes if they threatened sanctions against countries who keep nukes.
But in reality, if the UK gives up its nukes, no other country will do so. I think Europe should possess nukes for the foreseeable future. Like I said before, if Europe dismantles its nukes, all it would mean is that the US, China, and Russia would suddenly have a lot of leverage over Europe.
If Russia and China gave up nukes, would that mean we have leverage and would immediately invade? Silly me, all British people want nothing more than to attack our “enemies” and restore the Empire!
(I’m still scratching my head about all those countries that don’t have nukes. Hmmm… maybe Iran SHOULD be seeking to arm themselves with nukes if they want better “leverage”.
China has been involved in several wars. It has been fighting in Mali since 2012, and has had several skirmishes against India in the past decade. Before that, it was at war with Vietnam in 1979 with tens of thousands killed.
(I’m no fan of the CCCP but) Are you talking about China’s use of troops in Mali under the banner of the United Nations? Aren’t the other conflicts to do with border clashes between places like Cambodia and Thailand? If that’s the definition of “war” then the UK’s been waging “wars” almost non-stop since 1945.
You mean the nukes that we aren’t allowed to fire without US approval? That we have to send something like a billion per year to the US to get serviced and as a result aren’t even available to fire sometimes? Sorry but it seems very unlikely that trident is offering any kind of protection for us.
None of that is accurate. Britain retains unilateral ability to launch. The only items sent to the US are the unarmed missiles.
I think we can fire them without US approval. Sure it’s a problem that the UK is reliant on US missiles to deliver British nukes. France is in a better situation because they have French missiles for their nukes - they’re not dependent on foreign missiles.
Maybe the solution then is to develop British or European missiles and bombs for British nukes, rather than scrap Britain’s nukes altogether.
Each missile costs up to £5 million to maintain per year. Think of all those arm manufacturers bonuses at risk if everyone had your attitude.
Giving up nukes sounds bad but is that single policy why you would rather vote for all other Labour policies?
Its an existential issue however.
Two good videos about the smearing campaign against the greens and anti occupation protesters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuehnLT7JP8&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l3jo2GlAqg&pp=0gcJCQMLAYcqIYzv
He’s making it easy by saying or doing stupid things.
He did not say anything stupid. You have labors and reforms people apologizing for racist far right marches where some talk about banning Islam, burning mosques and kicking all immigrants from the UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuehnLT7JP8&t=2s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l3jo2GlAqg&pp=0gcJCQMLAYcqIYzv
I think Labour and Reform are also being crap here. However Zack has been riding the protest vote wave and as he gains popularity he gets more scrutiny. You might say it’s all the biased media’s fault but a politician complaining about scrutiny is a poor look.
He certainly spends a lot of time on social media happily clicking away. He should spend more time learning the basics of economics so he doesn’t complain about being ambushed on understanding the debt and the deficit.
