• Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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    4 days ago

    I think the marketing for the suburbs is better. The BIGGER NUMBER is a very powerful tool in the human mind and they achieve this via the MORE SPACE argument. You see this in marketing almost any and all products, even products where it doesn’t make sense like mouse dpi BIGGER NUMBER = BETTER which isn’t even strictly true.

    Communists are bad at marketing because many despise its very existence but it is one of the most important things we need to be good at. The capitalists on the other hand love marketing and the capitalist profit system incentivises putting more resources into it than anything else which feeds back into how their extremely strong marketing skills have successfully harmed communist movements so many times.

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    5 days ago

    Downsides of the soviet blocks:

    • Loud neighbors, the ones above you who dont give a fuck
    • Loud streets - fuck cars
    • Sterile greenery, with 200 eyes on you
    • Only 1 power outlet in each room
    • Waking up 3 o clock because some kids think its cool to turn their bluetooth speaker up to 100%

    Source: Me, living the last 6 years in one

      • chgxvjh [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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        4 days ago

        Construction techniques have improved a lot. I know some people who live in newly built apartments and when the windows are closed you hear basically nothing. Not the neighbors, not traffic, only what happens within your walls. Thermal isolation, heating, cooling is also on point.

    • Upsides of the Soviet blocks:

      Lots of greenery around, close access to surrounding nature. So many trees, birds, parks, walking lanes and trails

      All services close by, no need to use a car

      Great public transport

      Communal sauna and storage

      Very quiet compared to newer apartment buildings, thick concrete walls

      No heating bill thanks to district heating

      No separate water bill

      Large balcony for plants

      Lots of space compared to newer buildings

      Communal grill

      Playground for kids on every yard

      Closest store under 5 minutes by foot

      Closest healthcare center, gym, library, schools within less than 10 minutes walking distance

      Closest bus stop a few hundred meters away

      Reasonable rent

      Community, possible to arrange communal activities like gardening

      Source: Me, having lived in various nordic socdem country versions since childhood, latest building about 15 years in total.

      • jackmaoist [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        Soviet commieblocks have poor construction quality because they needed to pump these out as fast as possible. I’ve never heard anyone living in an actual commieblock saying that they have thick walls but I’ve always heard the opposite.

        Designs were improved as time went on and modern Russian equivalents have good quality.

        • The units we have are mostly from the 70s, they do have thick concrete structures. The early one in USSR were understandably a quick solution to a housing problem and therefore not instantly great, but they came a long way pretty fast at least here.

          And sure, I can hear the kids downstairs sometimes, or a neighbour playing the piano or a dog barking. It’s an apartment building with other people in it, there’s going to be some sounds of life. Personally don’t mind.

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        4 days ago

        IF you have these nice communal things around you! BIG IF. our block is more a dumping ground for the poor. There are NO communal activities offered, only if you count meeting in the parking lot …

        No heating no water bill? Where are you living sound like utopia. But im living only on earth fuck.

        Large balcony, thick concrete and lots of space???

        you are describing luxury flats, this has nothing todo with reality in commi bunkers most places

      • but in the suburbs, you get the freedom of dying when the popsicle stick construction style home you’re in finally collapses after an extreme weather event and the monthy energy bills for living in your own detatched box of tissue paper in the middle of a quarter acre of crab grass.

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      Loud neighbors, the ones above you who dont give a fuck

      I feel like you trade this for the constant drone of lawnmowers and angle grinders in the burbs. Like not even for building the other houses, just somebody in a suburb seemingly always needs to cut stone