The war Nazi isn’t pro Palestine? I’m shock I tell you. Next you’ll tell me Nazis are actually anti socialist!
So, you think that you have to be pro Hamas if you are pro Palestine?
Yes
Yes
Whatever you have been told about Hamas is almost certainly false. Zionists lie all the time and they conjured Hamas into a such a ridiculous boogeyman to scare the populace into compliance that when you compare the “Hamas” the israelis believe in and Hamas the way they are you begin to wonder where they even came up with this stuff. It’s not just really far away from reality, it’s complete fiction. Made up. Not even based on anything that has happened. Like usually with this kind of propaganda there is some story or kernel of truth that got blown up, distorted, twisted and ripped out of context, but with Hamas it’s just straight fiction and atrocity porn.
Same for Hizbollah.
I e been told they attacked innocent people on October 3rd 2023, was that made up?
They took innocent citizens from their armoured tanks as hostages :(
That accusation could not be more vague lol. I assume you mean october 7 and counter with that the IOF also killed a lot of “innocents” on that day. Probably more, they were firing indiscriminately at all the cars going towards gaza. They ordered helicopters to just empty their ammo by the hannibal doctrine. I mean it’s a war, not a war the palestinians started mind you, they’re the defensive party. Whatever death occurs is first to be blamed on the zionists who instigated it and who are keeping the native population in concentration camps and ghettos. Whatever mistakes hamas may have made, you have to weigh against what pissrael does. And since hamas is the only movement resisting the genocide it’s that or no resistance at all. Who would you rather see prevail hamas or the IOF?
Personally I’d like to see Israel drop their weapons and leave Gaza and all occupied territories, Lebanon, let Palestinians exist and give full israeli citizenship to those who’d want it.
When you have people with rocks and sticks in a fight with a high tech military, I tend to take the side of those with the sticks. That doesn’t mean I support everything Hamas is doing, and that everything we hear about Hamas is misinformation.
I draw the line at killing civilians. Hamas does it as well as Israel.
I think you can be pro Palestine without condoning the death of civilians. If Europe and the US stopped supporting what Israel has been doing for the last 60 years, there might be a chance for a Palestinian state. For this to happen, politicians need to speak up: this is what Platner did, so I think it’s a good thing.
The news calls any resistance Hamas so very literally yes if you don’t support Hamas you don’t support Palestine.
Yes. If you are against the resistance then you are a zionist. End of story.
Yes I believe to support a people you have to side with the defenders against the genocidal colonist ethnic cleansing. As someone said, If Hamas was wiped out and Israel killed my entire family and I was the sole survivor I would probably make “Hamas” 2.
Though of course this framing ignores the complexity that had existed among the different groups fighting for their lives again Israel who you know, uses dogs to rape prisoners, have sniper shot children in the head, and have rigged food cans to explode. Sadly though I’m not sure how many different groups exist anymore cause communication has been limited… You know because of the horrible devastation to the point we are not sure if some level of nuclear weapon has been used. Regardless of what has been used it has been hot enough to obliterate the bones of people in the center of the blasts.
You’ll have to look elsewhere for someone to baulk at a question like that. I’ve been paying attention and reposting news on Palestine since it started. It’s only the last few months because of my surgery I haven’t been able to keep up as much. But from today it seems they are entering a new cycle of settlers taking over the land that was cleared.
The question isn’t do you support Hamas. It SHOULD be do you support Israel? If Israel wasn’t doing a genocide there would be no Hamas.
Kind of yes since Hammas are the ones offering the most resistance to Israel there other groups like the PFLP but secular Palestinian politics was destroyed by Israel, because they knew that Islamists are a better bogeyman and dumb ass westerners are more likely to support killing them. Hammas weren’t the only group that took part in October 7th for some strange reason the media just doesn’t want you to hear about the others.
There are plenty of national liberation struggles were different factions put aside their political differences to fight together. Hammas aren’t the only faction in this fight they’re just the biggest and most organised.
So yes you should support the armed struggle for Palestinian liberation.
I’m not voting ever again plain and simple. Let me know when my fellow working class is ready for change and not just table scraps from the next charlatan.
Jizzrali zionazi scum
There clearly are no red lines for the americans to even begin questioning their fanatic campism.
Blue MAGA can, and do scrape the bottom of the barrel and libs will still be cheerleading for this massive turd.If any of those hostages are still alive I would be even more impressed with Hamas.
I’m not saying Platner’s a comrade. I disagree starkly with him politically. Also, his platform would be materially better than Susan “photo ops with white supremacist militias” Collins.
To make a food analogy: I like a turkey Reuben. Platner is a McDonald’s dollar-menu burger that’s been sitting in the sun all day. Collins is a can of indoor-use DDT pesticide from the '50s.
Neither is what I want to eat, but I only get two choices and I’m gonna be forced to eat one of them. I’m gonna choose the one that’s less likely to immediately harm me.
So long as you’re depending on other people preparing food for you, you’re going to eat the most palatable thing available even if it’s bad. Even if it’s labeled much more appetizing than it ends up tasting. This isn’t even mentioning the fact that, while annoying for you personally to have to pick something you don’t want, it is a decision that has terrible and near irrevocable harm to the global south.
Theres a whole group of people learning how to cook for themselves and teaching others to cook as well. If you don’t like what’s being served, don’t keep going to the restaurant serving DDT pesticides and McDonald’s burgers.
****Brother I am, the camdidates I wanted didn’t come in first in ranked choice. Volunteering, protesting, didn’t win out. Thankfully, we at least have ranked choice.
What am I supposed to do, not vote? Like theres only two people who are realistic to win. I’m gonna puty first choice on a leftist party, but we all understand the mathematical reality of American electoralism mandates two parties and that capitalism has corrupted both.
Platner is likely to be less harmful to the global south. I’m trying to change restaurants, but renouncing citizenship and leaving is easier said than done. Paperwork takes time.
“I keep going to this same restaurant, so realistically all I’m ever going to eat is what they have on the menu”
Go organize. This isn’t the same as joining an angry parade. Talk to your local PSL. Standing outside the restaurant telling them to make better food won’t work since theirs is the only restaurant in town.
I’m not saying not to vote, but I’m also trying to get you to understand that getting stuck in the situation where you feel like voting is your only option doesn’t change the system at all- it changes yourself. Over time, it erodes your values until you are what you would’ve detested 20 years ago. One day, you’ll develop a liking for DDT pesticides because the alternative is nuclear waste.
You’re only forced to vote for the nazi because you would rather do that than organize for an alternative system. Voting for a Nazi is easy. Organizing and changing this system entirely isn’t.
I’m trying to change restaurants, but renouncing citizenship and leaving is easier said than done.
I’m not telling you to change restaurants. Other restaurants likely have the same issues you want to leave this one for. I’m telling you to be the restaurant. And just to be doubly clear, I’m not telling you to run for office. I don’t want you to be an option for other people to pick from. I want you to work with an international community of chefs to build the best fuckin sandwich we’ve ever had.
At no point did I say I’m not engaging in organization. I do, and I think i do so quite effectively. I will also vote for Platner, because the alternative is to effectively vote for both Platner and Collins. My vote will be counted either way, mathematically speaking.
You’ve already hinted that you desire to or plan on leaving, so why do you care if someone carrying out white supremacy through military action beats out someone carrying out white supremacy through legislative action by voting to ensure the person who carried out white supremacy through military action newfound access to legislative power? Both deserve [redacted], not a vote.
What am I supposed to do, not vote?
a) yes, but more importantly
b) organize with local socialist organisations, read theory, meet people in a political space and start doing something.I’m (genuinely, curiously) interested in the logic for not voting at all.
As I see it, mathematically speaking, my vote is counted either way. The election outcome not being influenced by my lack of vote is effectively giving half my vote to each candidate, for a net zero.
As I see it, given it’s going to be counted either way, I’d rather it be counted for the candidate closer to my preferences.
Comrade, what would you recommend I do with that 45 minutes on a workday other than vote?
I think you’re ignoring the psychic damage you’re doing to yourself by voting for bloodthirsty demons.
You’ll legitimately feel better if you vote for someone you actually like, even if you have to write it in yourself.
write in the candidate you like; it can be anyone.
or that
A. Don’t vote.
B. Do something.Wtf are you talking about?
Liberals when they shield their delicate eyes from clear and actionable items to make the world a better place and resort to vaguely rephrasing and omitting things until it is meaningless to them.
- Join a group like PSL
- Read theory. If you don’t know where to get started, u/Cowbee has a great beginner’s course you can follow
- Meet people in real life and talk about changing this shit. You’re likely alienated by this system, so change that.
Yup exactly what this comrade said.
You’re on a .ml instance, they absolutely think not voting is somehow a great idea.
I recommend stickjng to a diverse portfolio of strategies if you want to live in a better world.
You’re right, Susan Collins is definitely going to do something about it.
Leftists being pragmatic challenge: Impossible
Oh look, the genocide supporters with no plan are reaching for the word “pragmatic” again.
95% Hitler VS 100% Hitler really is the only argument people have for advocating for Planter…
Liberals pragmatically voted for someone who promised to commit genocide. I’ll pass on being “pragmatic”, thank you.
Liberals are by their very nature are not pragmatic. If they were this issue wouldn’t exist in the first place. Hell you can take it a step further and say if y’all were pragmatic then you would be with the rest of us for the need to abolish the system cause no way we are voting ourselves out of this. They just don’t care enough about the theater anymore.
The guy was an enthusiastic soldier for the Fourth Reich and fantasized about going back in time to fight for said entity in the US’s various genocidal colonial wars – Philippines, Korea, Vietnam. I’d be a fool not to set his redemption price very high. If GraHHam Platner doesn’t explicitly say “death 2 amriKKKa and fuck the troops” then he hasn’t even begun to try to earn redemption, and it is not pragmatic at all to let a little Nazi like him worm his way into representing any facet of the left to the broader populace.
Leftists: “we should demand better from our representatives”
Libs: “Ok, so you want 100% Hitler to beat 99.95% Hitler? Wow, hypocritical much?”
And by the by a Blackwater mercenary with a Nazi tattoo who served at the Torture Prison in the Genocide War, running to be a Democratic Senator, is too far gone to be an Onion bit
The fact that they’re asserting that the known war criminal is the less-Hitler option here really has me questioning the libs’ capacity for critical thinking even more than usual.
Liberals are not doing well right now. It’s honestly as scary and sad to watch as a Republican.
I find them more frustrating at times, because they are so unwilling to to question the imperial dogma. They can’t see past the Overton window and refuse to believe that the USA is a negative force in the world. It’s sickening. I can only hope some of them manage to break out of the cognitive dissonance, but I’m not holding my breath.
At some point they’ll have to break off to survive. The ones who don’t will probably be killed or go mask off cash. Regardless we won’t have to worry about the smiling fox at that point.
Thank you, I had in fact not yet considered that Kamala Harris is not Donald Trump.
I mean, post something from this year at least?!
What is there to post? Hamas already released all the Israeli captives because of people like Platner screeching at them. Then Israel continued genociding Palestinians.
Is Platner advocating for a full ban on US weapons to Israel? (hint: no)
