• BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    They broadcast the OJ Trial, they should broadcast Luigi’s trial.

    The prosecution is scared shitless that the concept of Jury Nullification will become mainstream, and if the Cirizens realize they can just release anyone they want to, then MAGA won’t be able to win their bullshit cases.

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      Let’s be honest, you’ll never get a jury that at least 1 person doesn’t vote guilty, so it would be a hung jury. Thus he would spend life in prison blowing through all his families money continuously going back to court getting tried for murder over and over. He’d die in prison and his family would give up on him eventually because face it… The system already beat him.

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        In practice that’s now how hung juries work, even for high-profile cases. No DA wants to have the shame of repeatedly trying the same trial, even if double jeopardy doesn’t apply. At some point it looks to the voters that you’re just wasting taxpayer resources.

        Instead what tends to happen is that the charges get less severe with each trial, and that the defendant gets a better plea offer each time. For example, maybe Mangione gets a hung jury for the capital murder trial. In the next trial they charge him in a way the death penalty isn’t on the table. If first degree murder fails, the next trial they charge him with second degree murder. It becomes easier to get a conviction with each trial, as jurors are less likely to practice jury nullification as the stakes of the trial decrease.

        Eventually the defendant just accepts a plea deal. Every trial is still a roll of the dice for the defendant. If he kept getting hung juries, maybe eventually Mangione accepts a plea deal for manslaughter.

        No one wants to do infinite trials. The prosecutor doesn’t want to seem weak or a waster of taxpayer resources. The defendant doesn’t want to keep rolling the dice with their life. With each passing trial, the charges decrease. With each trial, conviction becomes easier. Eventually the defendant just accepts a plea deal to eliminate the possibility of spending the rest of their life in prison.

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          A hung jury doesnt count as being tried, it’s declared moot and they just try you again with another jury. Aka if 1 person in jury believes he did kill the guy like I said in my post. Prison forever.

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    They should start using the surveillance arguments here. “If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide.”

    I want to hear the Prosecutors arguments against that.

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      No no no! That applies to you! For me it is air gapping and ironclad encryption! For you it is literally a doxx in every boxx (whatever that means).

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    12 hours ago

    Appreciate this post but can we generally share links to articles instead of just screenshots.

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    OJ got this. And I bet Luigi won’t try to publish a stupid book called, “If I Did It.” Not that the judge will let him get anything that helps, probably.

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      Back then, I worked for the music division of the company that published that book, and they had our department pitch the audio book to record stores.

      Literally EVERY single retail buyer said “Fuck NO,” and I didn’t push back at all. I didn’t sell one copy in my region, and when HQ tried to harass me for not pushing it, I told them that I asked, and was told No. I did my job, now fuck off.

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    How many lives did Luigi save in the weeks afterwards when the health insurance companies took notice?

    You could argue that on balance, he was actually saving lives. Just like soldiers do in war. Just like police do in the street.

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        I don’t think they’re boot licking, I just think they’re showing this is an argument that boot lickers make about cops. They’re saying you can make the same argument here for Luigi, showing that the back-the-blue types make that argument hypocritically.

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      Just like soldiers do in war. Just like police do in the street.

      Woah woah woah, use whatever justification you like, but you really shouldn’t put criminals and murderers on the same level as actual heroes like Luigi Mangione.

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        Yeah you got me there. I was speaking from a legal and moral theory perspective. It makes me cringe thinking I described police in the positive. But hey, theoretically they’re supposed to stop the bad guys right? Not be their enablers lol

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        as much as I hate to say this, not all cops are bastards, this has been over generalizarion since the beginning and I can see that is unfortanely suprisngly close to accurate but not completely true

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          https://medium.com/@OfcrACab/confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop-bb14d17bc759

          in my police academy class, we had a clique of around six trainees who routinely bullied and harassed other students: intentionally scuffing another trainee’s shoes to get them in trouble during inspection, sexually harassing female trainees, cracking racist jokes, and so on. Every quarter, we were to write anonymous evaluations of our squadmates. I wrote scathing accounts of their behavior, thinking I was helping keep bad apples out of law enforcement and believing I would be protected. Instead, the academy staff read my complaints to them out loud and outed me to them and never punished them, causing me to get harassed for the rest of my academy class. That’s how I learned that even police leadership hates rats. That’s why no one is “changing things from the inside.” They can’t, the structure won’t allow it.

          And that’s the point of what I’m telling you. Whether you were my sergeant, legally harassing an old woman, me, legally harassing our residents, my fellow trainees bullying the rest of us, or “the bad apples” illegally harassing “shitbags”, we were all in it together. I knew cops that pulled women over to flirt with them. I knew cops who would pepper spray sleeping bags so that homeless people would have to throw them away. I knew cops that intentionally provoked anger in suspects so they could claim they were assaulted. I was particularly good at winding people up verbally until they lashed out so I could fight them. Nobody spoke out. Nobody stood up. Nobody betrayed the code.

          None of us protected the people (you) from bad cops.

          This is why “All cops are bastards.” Even your uncle, even your cousin, even your mom, even your brother, even your best friend, even your spouse, even me. Because even if they wouldn’t Do The Thing themselves, they will almost never rat out another officer who Does The Thing, much less stop it from happening

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            I’ve never come across this article. Unpleasant read, but a required and damn good one.

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          How many times have you watched a cop stop another cop? … A few, perhaps. That’s an OK cop.

          Now, have you ever seen a cop stop and arrest another cop? Perhaps not. But if you have, maybe that’s a good cop. Maybe. Because how many times did they turn away, pretend not to see it? We will never know.

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            How many times have you watched a cop stop another cop? … A few, perhaps. That’s an OK cop.Now, have you ever seen a cop stop and arrest another cop?

            In both cases the cop stopping another cop is going to be harassed by the force into quitting within 3 months. That’s why ACAB: any that aren’t get pushed out.

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          Its your opinion , why would you hate to say it ? own it, it’s yours.

          I see the full meaning of ACAB as: if you participate in a system widely regarded as championing bastard-like behaviour then you yourself are a bastard by proxy and/or association.

          Some cops actively try to change the pervasive bastardishness, they are not cops for very long , the latest example.

          Some cops are there because they need to feed their kids(or themselves), still bastards, but with a relatable reason (perhaps even approaching a viable excuse) as to why they continue to make that choice.

          if your argument is that at any point in time, there is the possibility of a non-bastard cop existing because they haven’t been murdered, exiled, scapegoated, indoctrinated. converted or quit yet…then yes that is technically correct.

          This, like everything else, is subjective.

          If you are rich and/or powerful enough to be considered inside the demographic the police were designed to actually protect (as opposed to control) then i’m sure it’s a much less bastardlike experience.

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          It’s not about the individuals and it never was. Officer friendly is still part of the carceral system that protects the rich from the poor but not the other way around.

          Cops are human, they are trying to do the right thing, (mostly, even the actual bastards are mostly trying to do right by their community, everyone is the hero of their own story)

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      We also don’t know that it was Luigi. It was someone for sure, but Luigi could easily have been framed. Circumstances were a bit too perfect and the chain of custody of the evidence was all messed up IIRC

      Not saying it was definitely someone else, but I reckon there’s reasonable doubt.