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The cogs need to understand that while it is definitely harder for you to change you are still a part of the problem machine. Thenk you for leaving.
"We want the [flock safety] to be traumatically affected…When they wake up in the morning, we want them to not want to go to work because they are increasingly viewed as the villains. We want their funding to be shut down so that the [the surveillance state] can’t do all of the [Fourth Amendment Violations] against our [population] because they have no bandwidth financially to do so.
“We want to put them in trauma.”
Russell Vaught, paraphrased.
This just plays into C-suite hands because now, they don’t have the payroll and benefit expenses. The better play is to be incompetent, while collecting a check.
And that’s exactly how it should be, only they should be quitting faster and in greater numbers.
Employees quitting their jobs at orphancrusher.com.
Good.
as they should be, but cities are swithcing over to AXON, MOTOROLA and others but with more obscure cameras.
It’s not a good start. Good start would be to sabotage company the first day they discovered what they are doing, You are all in delulu
Kinda difficult to be unemployed under capitalism.
Sabotage requires insiders. They would still be employed.
I dunno people on here seem to find plenty of ways to shit on people in the military. Would rather be in the service than actively gutting the countries rights and budget from the inside for a profit, but what do I know I’m not part of either. I just spin my wrenches and mind mine.
I’m possibly losing my job and currently job-hunting. I’ve seen open positions for Palantir and Flock and would sooner be dead than working for them.
You should still apply, though. Because people hate them, they likely need to offer higher salaries to compensate, just like Meta does. You can use these high offers to negotiate a better salary at a more palatable company. Also, it wastes the time of a scumbag company, so win-win.
Do we really want to put other, ethical companies under strain just because anti-ethical companies have lots of dirty cash pumped into them to pay higher?
Yes
In the absence of unionization, the worker should take every opportunity to bolster their position in the employer/employee power imbalance
Even a union will balance pay demands against other benefits.
So can you. You don’t need to have them match the other offer.
you don’t have to use the leverage unless you need to
better to be prepared
I’ve yet to apply to a company that didn’t low ball me on the contract offer
Yes?
After a certain level of salary, I’d rather work for an ethical company than get more money. I’d also rather ethical companies don’t collapse.
So I’d say No.
Yeah, and having another offer both helps you get an offer (because you look more attractive), and helps you negotiate for the level of salary you need to rather work for them.
I’ve taken a pay cut when switching jobs before. I still used my old salary to make them give me the best offer they could muster. You may be surprised to learn that it didn’t bankrupt them.
just apply but have an AI write everything as if you are a suberp candidate, just to increase their workload. In the least they will have to google you to see you don’t exist.
gum up thier hiring system and then dont show up.
Remember that Flock isn’t the only company with this exact business model. Cities ditching Flock is moving to their competitors instead.
We need to make it clear that we are opposed to the concept, not a specific company.
They understand that, but will remain purposely obtuse to it. We need to continue to remind them, it’s like potty training a puppy.
We need to spread this to the other mass surveillance companies, starting with Palantir.
Sadly Palantir works in the shadows unlike Flock, harder to point out to people
The most easily recognizable by people would be Google and Meta. Those two top the charts for non-consensual surveillance. I think those to need to be reigned in big time, along with some of the other big tech companies. All are anti-consumer. I guess at least those try to have some level of transparency, but they still have awful business practices.
You’d still be amazed and depressed by how much people are underestimating the level of surveillance from Google, Meta and the others.
I’ve seen Palantir employees in Charlottenburg while visiting Berlin in 2023 ;) They are not as invisible as you would think. They’ll wear clothing from Patagonia with the branding
What’s the name of the alternative camera company thats been gaining ground while folks are angry about flock?
Axon, same company that makes body cameras for police
From the same assholes who brought you tasers
Axon, Genetec, Vigilant (Motorola), Rekor, Leonardo… A lot of them and the tech is pretty easy so a hundred other smaller companies. It needs to be banned at the national level by law for any actual change, but good luck convincing the government not to build out the Panopticon they seem to want so badly.
Thank you for the list! ❤️
I have some hope that counties and states will end up making different contracts with different companies at different times, and that interoperability will be a very late afterthought just like it is in the rest of the proprietary software world, leaving various jurisdictions with many uncoordinated and incompatible databases and applications. Every proprietary software maker does the same thing, they don’t make their data system open or accessible unless some outside pressure forces it.
Also some states and counties are putting bans or other regulatory restrictions in place, which will help add to the general confusion and compatibility issues.
For those of you working in tech fields that may be related, now is the time to take all of the lessons you’ve learned about how bad, selfish proprietary software is made, all the annoyances and roadblocks you’ve run into over the years trying to make disparate bits of technology work together, and start implementing those as features. If someone questions it, tell them it’s necessary to protect company intellectual property. Make it clunky.
I don’t have that kind of faith in humanity.
Flock has failed but they really just serve as a demonstration of what not to do, for dozens of other companies.
People much smarter than me will have already mapped it out.
The funny thing with Flock is, people have their pants in a knot over the egregious surveillance they conduct - and rightfully so. Yet they’ve been letting themselves be put under constant surveillance for over two decades now, and there are plenty of other Flocks out there doing just as egregious shit today that nobody has heard about.
Flock is a lightning rod. But I fear when they they finally go belly up, their competitors will learn the lesson and keep even more quiet - and people will forget, as they always do.
I think what makes Flock (and Axon, Motorola, etc.) particularly repulsive is the inability to opt out. I can leave my phone at home. I can choose not to bring Smart Devices into my home to spy on me. If there’s a Flock camera at the exit of your neighborhood, your comings and goings are being monitored 24/7. (Before anyone mentions it, I can completely disable and deenergize the “SOS” feature in my car.)
Axon has been paying attention, you better believe
Most surveillance companies offer a benefit. Google offers a tremendous amount of services, as an example.
Flock is just surveillance without societal benefit. Just benefitting power hungry governments.
Good, now do all the other fascist enabling tech companies too.
Uh oh, we’ve accidentally dismantled the entire system of capitalism.
we did it, reddit
