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One of my siblings is going to school once a week, I think lockdowns definitely fried some brains.
Lol, love seeing chud convoy talking points here on hexbear.
Was it getting infected with a disease that causes brain damage 4 or 6 or 8 times already, watching their parents and guardians do nothing but feed them back into the meat grinder so they could go back to work?
No, it was the month they did remote school two years ago.
Yeah people don’t seem to realise that in some parts of the world remote school has been normal for decades. There are rural parts of my country where they had to do that long before covid.
What I think had more negative psychological side effects was watching grown boomers throw tantrums over wearing masks. Why would kids take anything seriously after that? Adults can’t even do the bare minimum so why should they?
Nah Covid lockdowns definitely did something. Not saying they weren’t necessary, but the haphazard way it was done because America can’t think of anything through all the way means tons of kids fall through the cracks more than they already do normally. My wife is dealing with 4 year olds with pretty bad behavioral issues that clearly began when lockdowns started. Like these are clearly lockdown babies who were given unlimited access to technology and the internet and then all of the sudden had it taken away and now they have to sit in school in a regimented environment. How do you expect them to adjust to that? They can’t, they react like drug addicts having their drugs taken away. Not to put the blame on them, but this whole thing was not done with any thought at all and this is one of the consequences.
Can’t say for sure, but we think it’s a combination of parents working more since Covid unfortunately killed a lot of people especially older people who would theoretically be the support structure for daycare while the parents are working. Then there’s the addiction to technology, which was already bad pre Covid, but during the lockdowns and now post Covid is probably worse than ever. Also this isn’t something that just effects the prek kids, there is notable behavioral issues with all grade levels. I know it sounds like bullshit, but I’m telling you something happened to make these kids start acting this way and I don’t think the general assumptions of this thread that the lockdowns had no affect isn’t a very good one to take. The reason I bring up the smaller children at all is because the prevailing assumption ITT is that the reason these kids are acting this way is because of a generalized sense of despair, which might be true for older children, but doesn’t explain anything for the younger ones who as you said were only months old during the lockdowns. They barely have a concept of the color blue let alone any idea that climate change or fascism is a thing.
It’s very easy to think that teachers are just complaining and kids are no different than before or that they’ve always been like this, but when multiple veteran teachers are telling us first hand that these are easily the worst classes they’ve had in their careers that shouldn’t mean nothing. Teachers spend more time with the kids than their parents do pretty much, their first hand accounts should be taken seriously.
I do not like this idea that lockdown is a mere inconvenience like having to take the stairs instead of using an elevator. It’s very obvious lockdown, even the quarter-ass lockdown the US tried to implement, would have a negative effect on people. Only a particular type of ND could actually thrive under lockdown conditions. However, despite the negative effect, lockdown is overall necessary if we want to actually live in a post-Covid world and not be forever stuck with Covid. It’s like a medicine with pretty terrible side effects but that is also the only way to treat a particular disease.
In my more cynical moments, I believe the US essentially did the worst of two worlds. The US only did lockdown enough to tank an entire generation’s social development, but Covid was still allowed to let it rip, so now you have kids with poor social skills and a body ruined by Covid.
Nothing covid did caused a such psychic trauma as millions of deaths. Now we all live knowing if there was a world ending threat the government wouldn’t do anything to stop it or help. People used to not know that before. It is alot for a regular person to deal with
i mean the remote school went for a very long time from March 2020 until end of 2021 and early 2022. staying inside all the time could indeed change people’s perceptions. like how most people don’t even have proper timeline of events during lockdowns because of lack of anchor points.
Was it getting infected with a disease that causes brain damage 4 or 6 or 8 times already
yea i didnt say actual covid caused brain damage didnt make it worse.
watching their parents and guardians do nothing but feed them back into the meat grinder so they could go back to work?
what are you supposed to do? work went back to ‘normal’ before schooling did.
edit: i think people on this site look at western lockdowns during March 2020 and government assistance given during that time and think ‘pog’ but people’s experience with lockdowns weren’t the same in the Global South because there was no welfare or stimulus checks because of World Bank/IMF imposed deficit constraints. Many global south countries still haven’t recovered from it (K Shape Recovery).
Maybe in some places lockdown went on for that long, but many places (including here) it was all of a few weeks and yet these problems are seemingly universal across the west (or at least North America).
It’s the same as the argument that rampant sickness is from immunity debt. If the damage came from lockdowns, why is it just as bad or worse in areas that didn’t have lockdowns or had short lockdowns? It’s because it’s being caused by COVID.
Not assigning blame to working parents who had no choice, just explaining how a stark early lesson in the capitalist meat grinder might change how you think.
Yeah whenever people talk about the “problems caused by lockdowns” my response is “what lockdowns”
The “lockdown” here started on March 17th, 2020. By May pretty much everything was open, including bars. Schools reopened with the new school year, with a mask requirement (only thanks to the county going against the state’s ban on mask requirements for schools) that ended by the end of December.
They did nothing to improve ventilation, space requirements, etc. and obviously COVID spread rapidly in schools immediately. These kids just had an early end to the school year and then saw their parents thrown to the meat grinder before being shoved into one themselves. Oh and when they went back the school shootings went right back to higher than ever before.
One of the main reasons “kids are so bad now” is they literally don’t see a future, they’ve seen how little their lives are valued and while the kindergarteners may not understand climate change, middle and high schoolers definitely do and are staring down the barrel of it going “Oh none of this matters”
Same. The realization that the society I live in is run by a literal death cult and they will do nothing to protect people’s lives. I am a fundamentally different person now than I was in February 2020 and that is the main reason.
For me it was the fact that what precautions they did take seemed to only be the most obnoxious, least effective versions, but then we were still allowed in the break rooms like normal, completely defeating the purpose of any of the previous measures.
And then people would get mad at me when I didn’t take it seriously. How can I? Nothing is being done! All things that need to be done to contain it aren’t happening and aren’t being enforced. To think that you, individually, can stop COVID spread when every factory in the nation is still operating full-bore and the worst delivery and food-service jobs are still running around is a fucking joke.
We made vanity food items and we were still considered essential.
The only people I know that got any time off for this stuff pretty much so jack-all all day anyways.
bro I went through the lockdowns. Yes a lot of kids got covid but fucking every kid went through lockdowns, and it has had a marked impact on us. All your classes just became a joke and then the summer was basically identical to the school year, and you couldn’t see your friends and all the summer activities were canceled and you spent all damn day with your parents OR your parents were considered disposable by society OR their work directly involved covid so you had that hanging over your head. The lockdowns were necessary, and should have been stricter, but that does not make them a good thing and doesn’t mean they didn’t have some very bad consequences for the kids that went through them.
We shouldn’t allow our understanding of phenomena to be determined purely by our opposition to the ideas of specific groups of people. That is basically the way in which chuds and to a lesser extent libs approach their analysis, and it’s part of why they end up with such an incoherent understanding of things.
It’s pretty clear that the need to socially isolate from one another for months at a time during the early period of covid had effects upon people. These have been shown in academic and governmental research. Hell, the entire experience of the pandemic was extremely traumatising imo. To be open to the idea that lockdowns had effects upon people’s mental health, or upon the development of children (particularly young children for whom a few months is a significant period of their lives) is not to say that the lockdowns weren’t necessary. But to deny any effects because you recognise that there was a need for lockdowns but see such a recognition as a chud talking point is ultimately to engage in the same kind of anti-scientific thinking as anti-lockdown chuds
I will say that lockdowns definitely affected my brother and I. My family was pro lockdown, even when our society wasn’t, so we self quarantined for a year and a half, starting halfway through my senior year of highschool and ending my sophomore year of college. In my case, I missed everything freshmen use to get acclimated to campus, and lost all social intellect. It took until this year and a lot of therapy to regain some modicum of self respect, and even then I’m not to where I used to be. As for my brother, he missed all the same things but for middle-high school, and he became a germaphobe who could not leave the house. He’s since been diagnosed with ADHD-OCD.
Lol, love seeing chud convoy talking points here on hexbear.
Was it getting infected with a disease that causes brain damage 4 or 6 or 8 times already, watching their parents and guardians do nothing but feed them back into the meat grinder so they could go back to work?
No, it was the month they did remote school two years ago.
Yeah people don’t seem to realise that in some parts of the world remote school has been normal for decades. There are rural parts of my country where they had to do that long before covid.
What I think had more negative psychological side effects was watching grown boomers throw tantrums over wearing masks. Why would kids take anything seriously after that? Adults can’t even do the bare minimum so why should they?
Nah Covid lockdowns definitely did something. Not saying they weren’t necessary, but the haphazard way it was done because America can’t think of anything through all the way means tons of kids fall through the cracks more than they already do normally. My wife is dealing with 4 year olds with pretty bad behavioral issues that clearly began when lockdowns started. Like these are clearly lockdown babies who were given unlimited access to technology and the internet and then all of the sudden had it taken away and now they have to sit in school in a regimented environment. How do you expect them to adjust to that? They can’t, they react like drug addicts having their drugs taken away. Not to put the blame on them, but this whole thing was not done with any thought at all and this is one of the consequences.
how were 6 month olds so wildly affected by lockdowns in spring 2020?
Can’t say for sure, but we think it’s a combination of parents working more since Covid unfortunately killed a lot of people especially older people who would theoretically be the support structure for daycare while the parents are working. Then there’s the addiction to technology, which was already bad pre Covid, but during the lockdowns and now post Covid is probably worse than ever. Also this isn’t something that just effects the prek kids, there is notable behavioral issues with all grade levels. I know it sounds like bullshit, but I’m telling you something happened to make these kids start acting this way and I don’t think the general assumptions of this thread that the lockdowns had no affect isn’t a very good one to take. The reason I bring up the smaller children at all is because the prevailing assumption ITT is that the reason these kids are acting this way is because of a generalized sense of despair, which might be true for older children, but doesn’t explain anything for the younger ones who as you said were only months old during the lockdowns. They barely have a concept of the color blue let alone any idea that climate change or fascism is a thing.
It’s very easy to think that teachers are just complaining and kids are no different than before or that they’ve always been like this, but when multiple veteran teachers are telling us first hand that these are easily the worst classes they’ve had in their careers that shouldn’t mean nothing. Teachers spend more time with the kids than their parents do pretty much, their first hand accounts should be taken seriously.
Sounds like you just have tunnel vision
I do not like this idea that lockdown is a mere inconvenience like having to take the stairs instead of using an elevator. It’s very obvious lockdown, even the quarter-ass lockdown the US tried to implement, would have a negative effect on people. Only a particular type of ND could actually thrive under lockdown conditions. However, despite the negative effect, lockdown is overall necessary if we want to actually live in a post-Covid world and not be forever stuck with Covid. It’s like a medicine with pretty terrible side effects but that is also the only way to treat a particular disease.
In my more cynical moments, I believe the US essentially did the worst of two worlds. The US only did lockdown enough to tank an entire generation’s social development, but Covid was still allowed to let it rip, so now you have kids with poor social skills and a body ruined by Covid.
Not as much as the millions who died and the new realization that you will never be safe again
I’m not sure I’m understanding what you’re saying.
Nothing covid did caused a such psychic trauma as millions of deaths. Now we all live knowing if there was a world ending threat the government wouldn’t do anything to stop it or help. People used to not know that before. It is alot for a regular person to deal with
i mean the remote school went for a very long time from March 2020 until end of 2021 and early 2022. staying inside all the time could indeed change people’s perceptions. like how most people don’t even have proper timeline of events during lockdowns because of lack of anchor points.
yea i didnt say actual covid caused brain damage didnt make it worse.
what are you supposed to do? work went back to ‘normal’ before schooling did.
edit: i think people on this site look at western lockdowns during March 2020 and government assistance given during that time and think ‘pog’ but people’s experience with lockdowns weren’t the same in the Global South because there was no welfare or stimulus checks because of World Bank/IMF imposed deficit constraints. Many global south countries still haven’t recovered from it (K Shape Recovery).
Maybe in some places lockdown went on for that long, but many places (including here) it was all of a few weeks and yet these problems are seemingly universal across the west (or at least North America).
It’s the same as the argument that rampant sickness is from immunity debt. If the damage came from lockdowns, why is it just as bad or worse in areas that didn’t have lockdowns or had short lockdowns? It’s because it’s being caused by COVID.
Not assigning blame to working parents who had no choice, just explaining how a stark early lesson in the capitalist meat grinder might change how you think.
Yeah whenever people talk about the “problems caused by lockdowns” my response is “what lockdowns”
The “lockdown” here started on March 17th, 2020. By May pretty much everything was open, including bars. Schools reopened with the new school year, with a mask requirement (only thanks to the county going against the state’s ban on mask requirements for schools) that ended by the end of December.
They did nothing to improve ventilation, space requirements, etc. and obviously COVID spread rapidly in schools immediately. These kids just had an early end to the school year and then saw their parents thrown to the meat grinder before being shoved into one themselves. Oh and when they went back the school shootings went right back to higher than ever before.
One of the main reasons “kids are so bad now” is they literally don’t see a future, they’ve seen how little their lives are valued and while the kindergarteners may not understand climate change, middle and high schoolers definitely do and are staring down the barrel of it going “Oh none of this matters”
Part of the trauma for me was the lack of willingness to lockdown
Same. The realization that the society I live in is run by a literal death cult and they will do nothing to protect people’s lives. I am a fundamentally different person now than I was in February 2020 and that is the main reason.
For me it was the fact that what precautions they did take seemed to only be the most obnoxious, least effective versions, but then we were still allowed in the break rooms like normal, completely defeating the purpose of any of the previous measures.
And then people would get mad at me when I didn’t take it seriously. How can I? Nothing is being done! All things that need to be done to contain it aren’t happening and aren’t being enforced. To think that you, individually, can stop COVID spread when every factory in the nation is still operating full-bore and the worst delivery and food-service jobs are still running around is a fucking joke.
We made vanity food items and we were still considered essential.
The only people I know that got any time off for this stuff pretty much so jack-all all day anyways.
bro I went through the lockdowns. Yes a lot of kids got covid but fucking every kid went through lockdowns, and it has had a marked impact on us. All your classes just became a joke and then the summer was basically identical to the school year, and you couldn’t see your friends and all the summer activities were canceled and you spent all damn day with your parents OR your parents were considered disposable by society OR their work directly involved covid so you had that hanging over your head. The lockdowns were necessary, and should have been stricter, but that does not make them a good thing and doesn’t mean they didn’t have some very bad consequences for the kids that went through them.
We shouldn’t allow our understanding of phenomena to be determined purely by our opposition to the ideas of specific groups of people. That is basically the way in which chuds and to a lesser extent libs approach their analysis, and it’s part of why they end up with such an incoherent understanding of things.
It’s pretty clear that the need to socially isolate from one another for months at a time during the early period of covid had effects upon people. These have been shown in academic and governmental research. Hell, the entire experience of the pandemic was extremely traumatising imo. To be open to the idea that lockdowns had effects upon people’s mental health, or upon the development of children (particularly young children for whom a few months is a significant period of their lives) is not to say that the lockdowns weren’t necessary. But to deny any effects because you recognise that there was a need for lockdowns but see such a recognition as a chud talking point is ultimately to engage in the same kind of anti-scientific thinking as anti-lockdown chuds
I will say that lockdowns definitely affected my brother and I. My family was pro lockdown, even when our society wasn’t, so we self quarantined for a year and a half, starting halfway through my senior year of highschool and ending my sophomore year of college. In my case, I missed everything freshmen use to get acclimated to campus, and lost all social intellect. It took until this year and a lot of therapy to regain some modicum of self respect, and even then I’m not to where I used to be. As for my brother, he missed all the same things but for middle-high school, and he became a germaphobe who could not leave the house. He’s since been diagnosed with ADHD-OCD.