ChestRockwell [comrade/them, any]

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  • I don’t buy this at all. Not going to say he’s a true ally, but his work for the NYC DSA slate and also AES and Cuba suggest he’s more than just a grifter to me.

    If his goal is to make Mamdani unremarkable, our goal should be to make Hasan unremarkable, but I don’t think dumping him is actually the way to do so. Just my .02 but it feels like there’s way more obvious targets out there (Grim after this platner shit, liberals and right wingers) than someone who is already far to the left of the Overton window in America and generally avoids the worst kinds of slopulism. The fact he’s never backed down on trans rights, Palestine,etc. even though it would have been the easiest pivot suggests he’s in good faith even if he’s still an electoralist.

    Just my .02 and obviously you’re welcome to disagree but I think there’s way more important targets than someone who pushes for the most left candidates our current system offers. Our job, in union organizing (what I do) and other forms of power is to produce the real material leverage that can change the system beyond electoralism.

    Hasan is an electoralist at the end of the day though. For those of us who see it as one strategy (and I should say, my personal position is electoralism is a means to an end, it can open up space for organizing wins ( i.e. if right wing administrations produce organizing energy, left wing organizations make it slightly easier to do the actions to get real wins for my members. This isn’t to say you can’t strike under a right wing admin, but there’s definitely more contingencies in that case. Just my .02)).

    I’d rather have someone like DAC in office when my union strikes since they might actually show up at the picket like and push the administrative state to pressure my bosses. That’s just my perspective though, and obviously I understand that anti electoralist comrades think that’s not worth it in the grand scheme. Still, if Hasan got someone like that elected in my state/district, I think it would be worth it.



  • I mean, it’s hard to say that Hasan ever “defended” platner. Perhaps skeptical of the previous NYT article, but the only real accusation there was from a right wing operative, so skepticism was warranted

    Could he have condemned him harder, sure, but he never suggested this is the new model for Dems (Mamdani and DSA NY clearly have that endorsement from him). If anything from what I’ve seen he used platner to illustrate the hollow nature of the Dems and also the desire for socialism (and platner of course doesn’t identify as such and was basically a grifter drafting behind left momentum).

    Could he have been more full throated/anti-troop? Sure. But he’s doing electoralism in america where the civic religion around troops is wild. But it’s hard to say “you’re wrong” about someone being aremoved when, again, the only other accusations were from a right wing hatchet woman who helped get Brett kavanaugh on the supreme court.

    If anyone is still defending platner though, they need to get purged asap. He’s a very good cautionary tale for why we need better organization to find people who aren’t just grifters reading the room or half baked radicals.




  • This is correct. Tbh most of his commentary was similar to ettingermnentum where Platner is a symptom of the Dems being unable to run credible candidates so any person who is anti establishment, anti-zionist, left-coded destroys establishment candidates.

    Most of the time he’s also pointed to Abdul in Michigan as a far better example of a left candidate. And furthermore, before the accusations there was an argument that if the options are mills, Platner, and collins, well, that’s pretty easy math. Obviously DSA/PSL dropped the ball not running someone, but I don’t know how organized the orgs are in Maine.

    Of course even AES isn’t a DSA member like DAC, so obviously more work can be done, but I think Hasan, AOC, etc. Actually get the W here, they never endorsed and treated this shit with the skepticism it deserved.