Young people aren’t voting = political parties seeing no reason to appeal to them.
Older generations vote, so politicians who appeal to older generations get promoted over ones who might otherwise have broad appeal.
Don’t complain about there being nothing but geriatric candidates if you’re only engaging in National level races and not taking part in local, regional and state elections that are spring boards for the younger politicians to rise up the ranks to get onto the national level.
You want to see change? Vote. In every election you’re eligible to vote in. And get all your friends and co-workers to do the same. Doesn’t matter if it’s for city council, school board or senate races. Just fucking vote.
when the dem party ran a candidate that young people liked, we went out and voted for him. so it’s not the young people’s fault that they don’t vote, it’s that the party doesn’t care enough to put forward a candidate that young people actually can get behind.
Not to defend dems strategy but look at 2010 for a prime example of what my post above was talking about. ACA is exactly what young voters wanted, what dems pushed for in 2008 and was exactly what GOP ran against in 2010. And in 2010, young voters didn’t show up, so all the congressional members who pushed it through got unseated by conservatives eager to rip it apart and stonewall anything else Obama did.
So yes, my point stands. It’s because young voters do not vote, especially not in midterm years between presidential elections that we aren’t getting politicians who appeal to the under 50-60 block. Because even when Dems go all out and give them everything they want, they still don’t show up at the polls to maintain momentum, and Dems lose a ton of ground. So can you blame them for making the choice between getting once in a generation power plays to change the status quo then go right back to letting GOP rip everything apart piecemeal and load the courts with conservative judges, or pick safer bet candidates who appeal to the ones who regularly turn out to vote even if progress only comes in bite sized changes they can slip through with aid of moderates and independents?
The math is there, you just have to look at the entire equation. GET OUT AND VOTE. EVERY ELECTION.
ACA is exactly what young voters wanted, what dems pushed for in 2008
Absolute nonsense. Young people wanted universal healthcare, not new tax bureaucracy to deal with. Young people wanted something akin to M4A, but instead got RomneyCare
Senate pissed away their majority and thought that people wouldnt notice the stone-walling and nuclear option and other bullshit shenanigans that MAJORITY elected officials were letting Republizards get away with. Liebermann and other DINOs were allowed to run free and destroy the MAJORITY vote.
Guess why the 2nd-term of Obama DID NOT GET THE SUPER MAJORITY? FAILED TO KEEP PROMISES.
Biden was the Veep responsible to ensure that Senate and the House did their job.
Geriatric Dog Pony Soldier Biden screwed around during the Obama Presidency and now doing worse.
Biden could nominate Bernie, dude is older than any one else. AND STILL THE DEMS WILL WIN THIS 2024!
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I feel worse than just cursing at the 'Murican stupidity on display. Hate this crap. You cannot blame voters when your candidate is brain-dead. So get serious or get out.
Drumpf is elected because of all the lies he tells and not because he is competent. He is the “Set everything on Fire and watch it all Burn down” candidate. IF YOU CANNOT BEAT THIS DUMB DEADBEAT YOU ARE NOT WORTH ANYTHING.
During the Drumpf Rule, Republizards silently pass every rule-breaking garbage and rig every system beyond breaking-point and create an unfixable situation everywhere again.
Dem Candidate has to :
Inspire voters
Unbreak all the broken systems since the time of Jimmy Carter.
Implement new systems that are robust and unbreakable.
Imprison every rule-breaking politician regardless of party or affiliation.
Simplify everything for anyone earning below 1 MILLION USD.
Tax 90% everything for anyone earning above 1 BILLION USD.
You need a very brave candidate. Bernie will do it. Biden is a zombie without even the brainworm.
Even IF they let him near a primary, even if he won primary and general, and had a majority of both houses… Do you think every Dem would vote with him? Even if they wanted to?
Not really? The highest turnout for under 25s over the last 58 years was… in 2020 (~50%), when it was literally the same matchup . And that’s still significantly lower than other age groups (62% 25-44, 71% 45+).
There was a small bump in 2008 (assuming you mean Obama), up to 49%. But in 2004 when John Kerry was the candidate the turnout was about 47% so not like. A huge change. And nobody remembers John Kerry.
Looking across the pond, in 2019 when Corbyn was head of the labor party and ran on a lot of lovely progressive issues, the turnout under 24s (they use slightly different brackets) was… Just over 50%
It kinda seems like young people just don’t vote at very high rates, period. So it doesn’t make a ton of sense to focus on them over other groups if you actually want to get elected and hold power.
No, then change simply starts automatically as the party appeals to the remaining voters. There’s not some special dynamic happening there, it’s just that simple: politicians want power, they’re going to do whatever gives them the most power.
So the fun thing is that you get older every year. So does everyone around you.
What seems to actually happen is that as younger voters age they realize that they should actually vote* – in 2000 32% of the 18-24 bracket voted. By 2020 those people are at the upper end of the 25-44 bracket [the census has wonky ranges], and 55% of them voted.
This trend has been going on back as far as there is data. There is no ‘until’.
And if those numbers seem really low to you - yeah they are. For comparison about 70% of people 64+ have voted every presidential election year, back to like the 80s. And it’s even worse for midterm years! In 2022 people 64+ voted at about a 2.5:1 rate to people under 25.
*in fairness there’s also the factor that as people age they tend to have more stable lives, more ability to take time off, etc. And there are states that DO make voting hard on purpose (notably all governed by the same party). Reasons why supporting early voting, mail in, mandatory time off, etc. Are all also very important. But in much of the US it’s not particularly difficult and people still don’t do it.
people have short attention spans. and the media circus isn’t helping Biden’s cause. I’ll hold my nose this time and vote biden, just like i did with hillary, but not everyone will do that. a lot of people are going to skip voting, and you shouldn’t blame them, you should blame the democratic party for not putting forward the best candidate for the job.
People are dumb, people are uneducated, people have short attention spans, people are undecided, but people also don’t know if they should vote in the face of a realistic takeover of the US by a fascist movement scenario. Maybe it’s time we take away democracy from people who are actively disengaging from it. Once Trump is president again, it will be too late.
End him and everybody who follows him.
People are dumb, people are uneducated, people have short attention spans, people are undecided, but people also don’t know if they should vote in the face of a realistic takeover of the US by a fascist movement scenario. Maybe it’s time we take away democracy from people who are actively disengaging from it. Once Trump is president again, it will be too late. End him and everybody who follows him.
The quiet part is a bit loud in this one my blue conservative “ally”.
Its not secret. I want to dissolve the two party system and force the legacy political parties to compete in a free market of ideas. If they arent competitive because their muscles have weakened from long use of First Past The Post voting as a crutch… that’s on them.
i’m want to assume that you mean his record for the last 3 years because the last 51 years has been very bad; but even those 3 years were hit and miss.
but then again, if you only look at the last 3 years of his life, kissinger was a pretty good guy too.
Give me a fucking break. You have to point to some random website to even try to defend this and even that says that it’s not really a word but language is fluid?
He’s on record as talking about not being restricted to a third term. SCOTUS has ruled that he can do no wrong, specifically in the context of him being brought to trial for asking for the vote to be rigged in his favour, but also for inciting armed insurrection against the United States government in order to keep him in power after the rules said he should go. He has talked, out loud, about being a dictator on day one and said that he should be allowed to order the death of people who oppose him. You could argue that Russia is a democracy, but the kind of “democracy” where political opponents are murdered and vote counts are changed in favour of the leader are better called dictatorships.
Last time he was in a position of power, he tried to organize a coup against the US government. It’s not a stretch to think that might be his starting point.
It’s much easier to get 65% turnout when it’s a candidate we can get excited about.
You might notice there are a ton of candidates on your ballot who aren’t running for president
Oh, I got it. Good job. Took me a while though, I think I have Covid… again. Yes, it’s still out there.
Change starts from the bottom, not the top.
Young people aren’t voting = political parties seeing no reason to appeal to them.
Older generations vote, so politicians who appeal to older generations get promoted over ones who might otherwise have broad appeal.
Don’t complain about there being nothing but geriatric candidates if you’re only engaging in National level races and not taking part in local, regional and state elections that are spring boards for the younger politicians to rise up the ranks to get onto the national level.
You want to see change? Vote. In every election you’re eligible to vote in. And get all your friends and co-workers to do the same. Doesn’t matter if it’s for city council, school board or senate races. Just fucking vote.
when the dem party ran a candidate that young people liked, we went out and voted for him. so it’s not the young people’s fault that they don’t vote, it’s that the party doesn’t care enough to put forward a candidate that young people actually can get behind.
Not to defend dems strategy but look at 2010 for a prime example of what my post above was talking about. ACA is exactly what young voters wanted, what dems pushed for in 2008 and was exactly what GOP ran against in 2010. And in 2010, young voters didn’t show up, so all the congressional members who pushed it through got unseated by conservatives eager to rip it apart and stonewall anything else Obama did.
So yes, my point stands. It’s because young voters do not vote, especially not in midterm years between presidential elections that we aren’t getting politicians who appeal to the under 50-60 block. Because even when Dems go all out and give them everything they want, they still don’t show up at the polls to maintain momentum, and Dems lose a ton of ground. So can you blame them for making the choice between getting once in a generation power plays to change the status quo then go right back to letting GOP rip everything apart piecemeal and load the courts with conservative judges, or pick safer bet candidates who appeal to the ones who regularly turn out to vote even if progress only comes in bite sized changes they can slip through with aid of moderates and independents?
The math is there, you just have to look at the entire equation. GET OUT AND VOTE. EVERY ELECTION.
Young voters wanted rebranded RomneyCare?
Absolute nonsense. Young people wanted universal healthcare, not new tax bureaucracy to deal with. Young people wanted something akin to M4A, but instead got RomneyCare
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Senate pissed away their majority and thought that people wouldnt notice the stone-walling and nuclear option and other bullshit shenanigans that MAJORITY elected officials were letting Republizards get away with. Liebermann and other DINOs were allowed to run free and destroy the MAJORITY vote.
Guess why the 2nd-term of Obama DID NOT GET THE SUPER MAJORITY? FAILED TO KEEP PROMISES.
Biden was the Veep responsible to ensure that Senate and the House did their job.
Geriatric Dog Pony Soldier Biden screwed around during the Obama Presidency and now doing worse.
Biden could nominate Bernie, dude is older than any one else. AND STILL THE DEMS WILL WIN THIS 2024!
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I feel worse than just cursing at the 'Murican stupidity on display. Hate this crap. You cannot blame voters when your candidate is brain-dead. So get serious or get out.
Drumpf is elected because of all the lies he tells and not because he is competent. He is the “Set everything on Fire and watch it all Burn down” candidate. IF YOU CANNOT BEAT THIS DUMB DEADBEAT YOU ARE NOT WORTH ANYTHING.
During the Drumpf Rule, Republizards silently pass every rule-breaking garbage and rig every system beyond breaking-point and create an unfixable situation everywhere again.
Dem Candidate has to :
Inspire voters
Unbreak all the broken systems since the time of Jimmy Carter.
Implement new systems that are robust and unbreakable.
Imprison every rule-breaking politician regardless of party or affiliation.
Simplify everything for anyone earning below 1 MILLION USD.
Tax 90% everything for anyone earning above 1 BILLION USD.
You need a very brave candidate. Bernie will do it. Biden is a zombie without even the brainworm.
I hear ya. I so wish we were in a better spot.
But here we are with ~14 weeks left.
Even IF they let him near a primary, even if he won primary and general, and had a majority of both houses… Do you think every Dem would vote with him? Even if they wanted to?
Not really? The highest turnout for under 25s over the last 58 years was… in 2020 (~50%), when it was literally the same matchup . And that’s still significantly lower than other age groups (62% 25-44, 71% 45+).
There was a small bump in 2008 (assuming you mean Obama), up to 49%. But in 2004 when John Kerry was the candidate the turnout was about 47% so not like. A huge change. And nobody remembers John Kerry.
Looking across the pond, in 2019 when Corbyn was head of the labor party and ran on a lot of lovely progressive issues, the turnout under 24s (they use slightly different brackets) was… Just over 50%
It kinda seems like young people just don’t vote at very high rates, period. So it doesn’t make a ton of sense to focus on them over other groups if you actually want to get elected and hold power.
Yes but they post more on online!?!?
Voting - not as much no. Many people are scared by it. Well, apprehensive, maybe. Which is understandable.
And that works great until the old farts start dying and the young people the party spent so long alienating don’t trust them for some fucking reason.
No, then change simply starts automatically as the party appeals to the remaining voters. There’s not some special dynamic happening there, it’s just that simple: politicians want power, they’re going to do whatever gives them the most power.
So the fun thing is that you get older every year. So does everyone around you. What seems to actually happen is that as younger voters age they realize that they should actually vote* – in 2000 32% of the 18-24 bracket voted. By 2020 those people are at the upper end of the 25-44 bracket [the census has wonky ranges], and 55% of them voted.
This trend has been going on back as far as there is data. There is no ‘until’.
And if those numbers seem really low to you - yeah they are. For comparison about 70% of people 64+ have voted every presidential election year, back to like the 80s. And it’s even worse for midterm years! In 2022 people 64+ voted at about a 2.5:1 rate to people under 25.
*in fairness there’s also the factor that as people age they tend to have more stable lives, more ability to take time off, etc. And there are states that DO make voting hard on purpose (notably all governed by the same party). Reasons why supporting early voting, mail in, mandatory time off, etc. Are all also very important. But in much of the US it’s not particularly difficult and people still don’t do it.
voting, as it currently is, is a top down system, not a bottom up one
Bullshit. The primaries decide it all.
Well if you crush the Republican party midterms become a free for all and real progressives can be elected?
I’d agree but when the other candidate is Trump the excitement should be at max level for you, or I’ll have to think you have a secret agenda.
people have short attention spans. and the media circus isn’t helping Biden’s cause. I’ll hold my nose this time and vote biden, just like i did with hillary, but not everyone will do that. a lot of people are going to skip voting, and you shouldn’t blame them, you should blame the democratic party for not putting forward the best candidate for the job.
People are dumb, people are uneducated, people have short attention spans, people are undecided, but people also don’t know if they should vote in the face of a realistic takeover of the US by a fascist movement scenario. Maybe it’s time we take away democracy from people who are actively disengaging from it. Once Trump is president again, it will be too late. End him and everybody who follows him.
The quiet part is a bit loud in this one my blue conservative “ally”.
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are you saying that the solution to people not being excited about voting for biden is to disenfranchise large swaths of voters?
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If that were true, why didn’t it end with Sarah Palin? Michelle Bachman? Newt? Boehner ?
Its not secret. I want to dissolve the two party system and force the legacy political parties to compete in a free market of ideas. If they arent competitive because their muscles have weakened from long use of First Past The Post voting as a crutch… that’s on them.
Ok either do that before this years election, or just shut up and do your duty
You mocked opposition to genocide elsewhere in this thread.
Did Nick Fuentes tell you to reply that?
who is he? some genocide-opposer who puppeteers all genocide-opposer?
A guy that was mentioned in the news for reasons.
His record is great, and the alternative is the end of democracy.
What more do you want
i’m want to assume that you mean his record for the last 3 years because the last 51 years has been very bad; but even those 3 years were hit and miss.
but then again, if you only look at the last 3 years of his life, kissinger was a pretty good guy too.
the best thing biden has going for him is that he’s not trump. and that’s not sustainable.
I doubt he’s going to be trump anytime soon, though
Uh, no. No he wasn’t.
how many atrocities did kissinger commit between 2019 and 2023?
I dunno… someone that doesn’t make up words like “goodest”?
Fantastigasmical?
The difference is that you made that word up on purpose…
https://regretless.com/language-and-grammar/discover-the-surprising-truth-about-gooder-and-goodest-are-they-real-words/
Give me a fucking break. You have to point to some random website to even try to defend this and even that says that it’s not really a word but language is fluid?
You’re only proving the point more.
Here, have a refreshing beverage.
I’ve heard this before. What do you people mean when you say “end of democracy”?
He’s on record as talking about not being restricted to a third term. SCOTUS has ruled that he can do no wrong, specifically in the context of him being brought to trial for asking for the vote to be rigged in his favour, but also for inciting armed insurrection against the United States government in order to keep him in power after the rules said he should go. He has talked, out loud, about being a dictator on day one and said that he should be allowed to order the death of people who oppose him. You could argue that Russia is a democracy, but the kind of “democracy” where political opponents are murdered and vote counts are changed in favour of the leader are better called dictatorships.
The thinking is that Trump will do something for the republicans to remain in power permanently.
Not clear what that something is.
Last time he was in a position of power, he tried to organize a coup against the US government. It’s not a stretch to think that might be his starting point.
I’m stunned how people just bloop right over that
Extreme gerrymandering
RepubliQan staffed voting approval boards that change the outcome
Blatantly unconstitutional laws to prevent minorities from voting (even more than they have now)
Troops at the polls
Some of these are already passed in red states.
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Be “excited” about the prospect of trump.
Edit: /s or whatever. Vote blue or get trump.
you will eat your shit sandwich and you will like it.
Da, correkt response.