Pretty wild that these leftists consistently have leftist criticisms of the liberal candidate, I guess that means they support the conservative candidate.
I have very low faith in her, because I’m very far left. You liberals think you can win everything with principles and rational discussion. But contrary to what Capitalist Economics 101 told you, people aren’t rational. There’s a lot of people who won’t vote against fascism, if voting against fascism feels bad. So, we have a political responsibility to make voting against fascism feel good for the average voter. When the election is over and Donald is out for another 4 years, we can switch to the harshest criticism you can imagine for issues like her denying medical care to a trans inmate. Until then, let’s tactically shut the fuck up. Because I don’t want to see you risking genocide again. Ignore the instinct to just do whatever you want without thinking, and commit to actually enacting praxis like us leftists.
The more I learn about her the more relaxed I feel about her as president tbh. I’m kinda surprised how little the trolls have come up with, you’d think there would be a bigger pile of shit for them to fling given the hard-on for getting Biden out of the race. It’s almost encouraging in a weird sort of way.
She’s sure coming out of the gate swinging, harder than they expected and they didn’t have any racism loaded in the chamber. Exactly what we fucking needed.
They’re not criticizing her enough! They’re criticizing her too much! Their consistent leftist beliefs unsurprisingly still have some valid criticisms of her from their point of view and they’re expressing them! We have to stop them from expressing them! We have to prevent any criticism of Democrats! VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!
These are blue-shifted bandage-on-the-ear rabids who are not interested in political discourse and want to silence progressive voices. They would rather fight straw men than build any sort of complex political thought or class consciousness.
This page is nothing but a bunch of insecure fragile liberals fighting straw men. Are you so worried about valid and consistent leftist criticisms of your liberal candidate that you would prefer to silence all oppression? You’re the idiots with bandages on your ears but with a blue hat instead.
Why is it shocking that genuine leftists (who also hate Trump) would have leftist-perspective criticisms of Kamala Harris too? Should everyone left of center be completely silenced? Is the Democrat candidate so weak and fragile that leftist criticisms will take her down?
This is nothing but tribal liberals trying to shut down progressive discourse.
You’re all shockingly cultist. Holy shit this place is a disaster.
Lemmy.world in general is terrible for things like this, I would suggest joining a more niche instance or a different generalist instance if liberalism bothers you.
Liberalism is an ideology that can be debated and has merits, these are just cultists. I don’t think so little of liberals that I think they’re all like this.
Liberalism is an ideology that can be debated and has merits, these are just cultists. I don’t think so little of liberals that I think they’re all like this.
Yes and no. Lemmy.world specifically curates this form of liberalism, they have an anti-Marxist stance and as such left-punchers flocked to Lemmy.world. Non-left-punchers generally leave Lemmy.world.
This is just the politics subreddit isn’t it?
In my experience, no, not really. Some smaller, niche communities are good, but overall Lemmy.world has curated its own userbase.
No problem! I recommend checking out other instances and scrolling by local feeds, to find one you like the vibe of. Lemmy.world blocks a few instances you could be interested in, or might not be, but scrolling by local anonymously is a good tip I’ve found.
You’re the idiots with bandages on your ears but with a blue hat instead.
So calling anyone that’s liberal but not leftist a blue MAGA isn’t a straw man? It’s intentionally inflammatory and wrong. It sounds like you’re being elitist, even if that’s not your intention.
I agree that the average US liberal isn’t progressive enough and I don’t agree with a lot of the liberal circlejerk in these comments, but your argument is just as flawed and cultist.
So calling anyone that’s liberal but not leftist a blue MAGA isn’t a straw man?
No liberal is a leftist, liberalism is right-wing, while leftism is Socialist, of some sort. Additionally, the person you replied to said liberalism itself can be debated, but this specific anti-Leftist liberalism found on Lemmy.world is “Blue MAGA,” ie Leftists aren’t allowed to complain about whatever right-winger the DNC fronts.
It’s intentionally inflammatory and wrong. It sounds like you’re being elitist, even if that’s not your intention.
I don’t see how any of that follows.
I agree that the average US liberal isn’t progressive enough and I don’t agree with a lot of the liberal circlejerk in these comments, but your argument is just as flawed and cultist.
So you agree with them saying leftists should be allowed to have a voice, but disagree with them saying Lemmy.world liberals are trying to silence Leftists, then “both-sidesing” them? Not sure what you’re cooking here.
Left means progressive, right means traditional. Liberals are progressive and left leaning. Less so in the US, but still not right wing.
Your comment is excluding specific progressives and mislabeling them because they’re not as progressive as you. That’s what I mean by elitist.
Additionally, no one here is silencing anyone, unless you can pull up some proof that a liberal mod is deleting leftist comments in this thread for being leftist. Everything in these comments is just discussion.
Also, I agree. There are some specify anti-leftist liberal comments here and on Lemmy. That is frustrating and my comments aren’t meant to support that, just to point out the hypocrisy I saw. Almost everyone here is anti-fascist and anti-maga, we can be a bit more civil in our disagreements
Liberals are progressive and left leaning. Less so in the US, but still not right wing.
Incorrect, entirely. Liberalism is the status quo, ergo it cannot be considered left. Liberalism supports Capitalism and is a right-wing ideology, to be left is to go against that status quo.
Your comment is excluding specific progressives and mislabeling them because they’re not as progressive as you. That’s what I mean by elitist.
I’m not being “elitist,” I am pointing out that Liberalism is not progressive, it’s the status quo. I myself am a Marxist, and believe leftism to be correct, but not elite.
Additionally, no one here is silencing anyone, unless you can pull up some proof that a liberal mod is deleting leftist comments in this thread for being leftist. Everything in these comments is just discussion.
In Lemmy.world’s modlog, you can find comments and posts removed for being “commie,” and Lemmy.world defederates from explicitly Marxist instances.
Also, I agree. There are some specify anti-leftist liberal comments here and on Lemmy. That is frustrating and my comments aren’t meant to support that, just to point out the hypocrisy I saw. Almost everyone here is anti-fascist and anti-maga, we can be a bit more civil in our disagreements
It’s usally confined to right-leaning instances like Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.
that’s a fair point, granted. I’m also generalizing and it seems this thread is evolving somewhat but the first dozen comment threads here were liberals taking swings at straw men and that’s a pattern I’ve seen in every thread.
not all liberals are like this but this community is staggeringly cult-like and paranoid.
oh NOW suddenly and always the leftists have critiques of liberals even though the one who couldn’t win was replaced by one who could hopefully win, their consistent ideology can only mean they’re Russian agents
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I give it three days tops before they figure out they can use the “ACAB, she’s a prosecutor so she’s actually a cop” angle as a replacement
I mean that’s been talked about for years already dude
Oh, I’ve already seen it on lemmy. Pretty soon you’ll see Cop Kamala posts all over the plac
Copmala
Paul Blart: Kamalla Cop
Pretty wild that these leftists consistently have leftist criticisms of the liberal candidate, I guess that means they support the conservative candidate.
Called it.
https://lemmy.ca/post/25468589
Why do you want a discourse where the blue candidate can’t be criticized just because the red candidate is worse?
Cause I don’t want trans people or west bank Palestinians to die!
If you believe you need censorship of any criticism for your candidate to win maybe you have less faith in her than we leftists do.
But yes we’re all Russian agents.
Political discourse should not be silenced for red or for blue.
I have very low faith in her, because I’m very far left. You liberals think you can win everything with principles and rational discussion. But contrary to what Capitalist Economics 101 told you, people aren’t rational. There’s a lot of people who won’t vote against fascism, if voting against fascism feels bad. So, we have a political responsibility to make voting against fascism feel good for the average voter. When the election is over and Donald is out for another 4 years, we can switch to the harshest criticism you can imagine for issues like her denying medical care to a trans inmate. Until then, let’s tactically shut the fuck up. Because I don’t want to see you risking genocide again. Ignore the instinct to just do whatever you want without thinking, and commit to actually enacting praxis like us leftists.
Good one! Had to remove my downvote when I realised what that place is.
The more I learn about her the more relaxed I feel about her as president tbh. I’m kinda surprised how little the trolls have come up with, you’d think there would be a bigger pile of shit for them to fling given the hard-on for getting Biden out of the race. It’s almost encouraging in a weird sort of way.
She’s sure coming out of the gate swinging, harder than they expected and they didn’t have any racism loaded in the chamber. Exactly what we fucking needed.
Yeah that attack already got shat upon so the GRU are weighing other attack options for tankies to perform.
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This is an example of the pathetic one I’ve seen so far.
https://lemmy.world/comment/11308394
Ahhh classic linkerbaan
I mean I can criticize Kamala more if that’s what you like.
It literally doesn’t matter what we do or don’t do, liberals will always find a way to attack the left. You can set your clock by it.
No one hates leftists more than other leftists
almost true, liberals hate leftists more, and fascists hate leftists most of all.
They’re not criticizing her enough! They’re criticizing her too much! Their consistent leftist beliefs unsurprisingly still have some valid criticisms of her from their point of view and they’re expressing them! We have to stop them from expressing them! We have to prevent any criticism of Democrats! VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!
These are blue-shifted bandage-on-the-ear rabids who are not interested in political discourse and want to silence progressive voices. They would rather fight straw men than build any sort of complex political thought or class consciousness.
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I think you need to look up what that word means.
This page is nothing but a bunch of insecure fragile liberals fighting straw men. Are you so worried about valid and consistent leftist criticisms of your liberal candidate that you would prefer to silence all oppression? You’re the idiots with bandages on your ears but with a blue hat instead.
Why is it shocking that genuine leftists (who also hate Trump) would have leftist-perspective criticisms of Kamala Harris too? Should everyone left of center be completely silenced? Is the Democrat candidate so weak and fragile that leftist criticisms will take her down?
This is nothing but tribal liberals trying to shut down progressive discourse.
You’re all shockingly cultist. Holy shit this place is a disaster.
Lemmy.world in general is terrible for things like this, I would suggest joining a more niche instance or a different generalist instance if liberalism bothers you.
Liberalism is an ideology that can be debated and has merits, these are just cultists. I don’t think so little of liberals that I think they’re all like this.
This is just the politics subreddit isn’t it?
Yes and no. Lemmy.world specifically curates this form of liberalism, they have an anti-Marxist stance and as such left-punchers flocked to Lemmy.world. Non-left-punchers generally leave Lemmy.world.
In my experience, no, not really. Some smaller, niche communities are good, but overall Lemmy.world has curated its own userbase.
Thanks for giving me the lay of the land. I can’t imagine being so fanatically, what amounts to, centrist…
No problem! I recommend checking out other instances and scrolling by local feeds, to find one you like the vibe of. Lemmy.world blocks a few instances you could be interested in, or might not be, but scrolling by local anonymously is a good tip I’ve found.
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BUILD THAT WALL
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and yes many liberals are insufferable, but I stand by my original statement even when such examples love to make themselves known.
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oh why didn’t anyone tell us this before?
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So calling anyone that’s liberal but not leftist a blue MAGA isn’t a straw man? It’s intentionally inflammatory and wrong. It sounds like you’re being elitist, even if that’s not your intention.
I agree that the average US liberal isn’t progressive enough and I don’t agree with a lot of the liberal circlejerk in these comments, but your argument is just as flawed and cultist.
No liberal is a leftist, liberalism is right-wing, while leftism is Socialist, of some sort. Additionally, the person you replied to said liberalism itself can be debated, but this specific anti-Leftist liberalism found on Lemmy.world is “Blue MAGA,” ie Leftists aren’t allowed to complain about whatever right-winger the DNC fronts.
I don’t see how any of that follows.
So you agree with them saying leftists should be allowed to have a voice, but disagree with them saying Lemmy.world liberals are trying to silence Leftists, then “both-sidesing” them? Not sure what you’re cooking here.
What in the actual fuck are you talking about?
Leftism is Socialist, ie collective ownership of the Means of Production. Rightism is Capitalist, ie individual ownership of the Means of Production.
Liberalism supports Capitalism, ie current system + tweaks, ergo it is right-wing.
That’s factually not correct though. I understand and agree there is a difference between leftist and liberal, but the rest is just blatantly wrong.
Here’s a history lesson on left and right wing;
https://www.history.com/news/how-did-the-political-labels-left-wing-and-right-wing-originate
Left means progressive, right means traditional. Liberals are progressive and left leaning. Less so in the US, but still not right wing.
Your comment is excluding specific progressives and mislabeling them because they’re not as progressive as you. That’s what I mean by elitist.
Additionally, no one here is silencing anyone, unless you can pull up some proof that a liberal mod is deleting leftist comments in this thread for being leftist. Everything in these comments is just discussion.
Also, I agree. There are some specify anti-leftist liberal comments here and on Lemmy. That is frustrating and my comments aren’t meant to support that, just to point out the hypocrisy I saw. Almost everyone here is anti-fascist and anti-maga, we can be a bit more civil in our disagreements
It is not “blatantly wrong.”
I’m aware.
Broadly, yes.
Incorrect, entirely. Liberalism is the status quo, ergo it cannot be considered left. Liberalism supports Capitalism and is a right-wing ideology, to be left is to go against that status quo.
I’m not being “elitist,” I am pointing out that Liberalism is not progressive, it’s the status quo. I myself am a Marxist, and believe leftism to be correct, but not elite.
In Lemmy.world’s modlog, you can find comments and posts removed for being “commie,” and Lemmy.world defederates from explicitly Marxist instances.
It’s usally confined to right-leaning instances like Lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.
You’re generalizing what I said, you can see plainly that I was referring to the people behaving like that in this thread.
This is the depth of analysis I’ve come to expect from you all, though.
I’m literally a leftist -_-
I just disagree with arguing and insulting anyone who is a bit less progressive than me. I prefer to not see the world as black and white
that’s a fair point, granted. I’m also generalizing and it seems this thread is evolving somewhat but the first dozen comment threads here were liberals taking swings at straw men and that’s a pattern I’ve seen in every thread.
not all liberals are like this but this community is staggeringly cult-like and paranoid.
oh NOW suddenly and always the leftists have critiques of liberals even though the one who couldn’t win was replaced by one who could hopefully win, their consistent ideology can only mean they’re Russian agents
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