(8) Filming or photographing will not be permitted if it conveys the impression that
cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or
organization. Additionally, ANC will not authorize any filming for partisan, political or
fundraising purposes, in accordance with the Hatch Act, 32 CFR 553, and AR 360-1
This policy
supersedes the Media Policy for Arlington National Cemetery (ANC) and the Soldiers’
and Airmen’s Home National Cemetery (SAHNC)
The ANC is irrelevant in this case.
Filming or photographing will not be permitted if it conveys the impression that
cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or
organization.
Firstly, it doesn’t seem that Trump violated what you cited, since he took no pictures, nor is there proof that he ordered anyone else to take any pictures. Secondly, it’d take a narrow interpretation of the pictures to presume that they’re meant to endorse Trump himself, any more than images of Joe Biden earlier this year were meant to endorse Joe Biden’s campaign (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/Photos/President-Joe-Biden-visits-Arlington-for-Memorial-Day/14636/). Families like having pictures of an authority figure paying respects to their fallen loved ones. They reached out to Biden and Kamala Harris first, after all, which doesn’t seem to me like they were aiming to exactly join Trump’s campaign.
Sure…I bet you’re well versed in the legal universe…somehow. Riiiiigght.
So if you want to really break it down, then your defense here is that Trump is just ignorant to the law…okay, sure. You’d also be making the case that if he didn’t directly do anything actionable against the law, then he can’t be doing anything illegal. THEN you’re going down the rabbit hole of “Oh, they just told me to stand here and do this and that, I had no idea.” So that’s where you’re leaving that.
EXCEPT, you’re ignoring the fact they were TOLD BY A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ANC THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED IN. Then they started a physical altercation and assaulted that person. He was informed they were not allowed on the premises. There is no ignorance to what was what happening at that point. If you’re backup is that his campaign managers didn’t tell him, then you’re also wrong, because they are expected to be acting on Trump’s behalf in representing the campaign, which the law specifically covers as well.
You have no argument here.
Then your trying to something about Biden or whomever else also having pictures there… that’s not the law. Read it again. It doesn’t say “there is absolutely no photo/video to be taken at ANC”. If an acting President is there for a pre-planned ceremony and are expected to be there in an official capacity, the press is allowed in to take photo and video. Thems the facts. It’s at the discretion of cemetery officials to say who can and can’t take photo/video.
They told Trump or his people to GTFO, they assaulted the staff, then went and did it anyway. The family has no say in this.
So not only did he commit one crime, he committed MULTIPLE crimes.
Dafuq outta here with your attempts to justify this.
I’ve never been a big fan of the Appeal To Authority fallacy, personally. You shared the law, so I read it.
You’ve hallucinated most of my arguments, so I’ll ignore those points of yours.
they were TOLD BY A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ANC THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED IN.
Is there proof that the representative was correct?
Then your trying to something about Biden or whomever else also having pictures there… that’s not the law. Read it again. It doesn’t say “there is absolutely no photo/video to be taken at ANC”. If an acting President is there for a pre-planned ceremony and are expected to be there in an official capacity, the press is allowed in to take photo and video.
This is a fair point though, I’ll concede on this one. The MSM is different than a private photographer, which the link you shared pointed out.
The family has no say in this.
What you linked said that the families needed to request the photographer 72 hours in advance. I’d like to hear from them if they did this, and whether or not they got confirmation that the request was approved or denied.
Yes. There is proof. The Trump Campaign team themselves released footage of the altercation to DC and Federal Authorities, and then went on social media of all places to preemptively try to argue that person they assaulted was having a “mental health episode”. They were doing their job.
Yes, there is proof the representative was correct in turning them away. You quoted the fucking law.
Last point, the families never requested any permission to film, as the ANC representative already told them, they were not allowed to film or photograph there.
This is a non-discussion. Regardless of whether you, Trump, the families, or anyone else thinks so, there is a fucking codified law in place to prevent this shit, but they thought they could just do whatever they wanted. It was illegal, hands down.
I don’t think authorities make a habit of just releasing evidence to the public in that way. Again, you’re not super familiar with this.
The representative filed a complaint. The Trump campaign said publicly there was an altercation. They then had to turn over video evidence of this to authorities. That’s really the end of that question. It happened.
The families never requested any permission. The top two points I just made say that alone. The family doesn’t even have a right to request permission to SET ASIDE THE LAWS IN PLACE. Again, they have no say in this. Even if they requested “Hey, Trump wants to come and do this thing”, the response would have to be “Okay, but only in a private capacity, because no political campaigns are allowed to press here”.
Are you listening to yourself? If he just wanted to go out of the goodness of his heart, then fucking do that. That’s clearly not why he went though, or else there would have been no reason to turn them away. Walking up with a mob of campaign people and photo/video staff is clearly a fucking problem, so they were turned away, and instead of leaving, assaulted a military representative whose job it was to turn them away based on the law.
Trump campaign says 90% of things that have no followup or proof
I’m not arguing his campaign did anything, they were THERE. They assaulted someone over this. There is no conflicting account that this did not happen from either side. It happened.
A campaign rolls deep. Less than a few, but definitely recognized as a campaign crew that should NOT be there, which is why they were stopped in the first place and decided to assault someone to get their press footage and pictures.
The Gold Star families asked him to lay a wreath, which he did. He did not violate any laws. The Hatch Act is for federal employees, which Trump is not.
The only reason this made the news is an employee overstepped their authority and tried to block a Gold Star family from laying a wreath on their child’s grave. The person should be terminated.
The families have zero say in this. It is not a private cemetery. Read my other comment on this if you need to, but you and your buddy in this thread are so far off base. Go back to law school if you have a degree.
They have zero say. It’s federal land, and a cemetery at that. They can’t bend or change the laws any more than you can declare an FBI office your new house “becuz I PaY year taXes”
https://web.archive.org/web/20240831030326/https://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Portals/0/ANC-media-policy.pdf
The ANC is irrelevant in this case.
Firstly, it doesn’t seem that Trump violated what you cited, since he took no pictures, nor is there proof that he ordered anyone else to take any pictures. Secondly, it’d take a narrow interpretation of the pictures to presume that they’re meant to endorse Trump himself, any more than images of Joe Biden earlier this year were meant to endorse Joe Biden’s campaign (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/Photos/President-Joe-Biden-visits-Arlington-for-Memorial-Day/14636/). Families like having pictures of an authority figure paying respects to their fallen loved ones. They reached out to Biden and Kamala Harris first, after all, which doesn’t seem to me like they were aiming to exactly join Trump’s campaign.
Sure…I bet you’re well versed in the legal universe…somehow. Riiiiigght.
So if you want to really break it down, then your defense here is that Trump is just ignorant to the law…okay, sure. You’d also be making the case that if he didn’t directly do anything actionable against the law, then he can’t be doing anything illegal. THEN you’re going down the rabbit hole of “Oh, they just told me to stand here and do this and that, I had no idea.” So that’s where you’re leaving that.
EXCEPT, you’re ignoring the fact they were TOLD BY A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ANC THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED IN. Then they started a physical altercation and assaulted that person. He was informed they were not allowed on the premises. There is no ignorance to what was what happening at that point. If you’re backup is that his campaign managers didn’t tell him, then you’re also wrong, because they are expected to be acting on Trump’s behalf in representing the campaign, which the law specifically covers as well.
You have no argument here.
Then your trying to something about Biden or whomever else also having pictures there… that’s not the law. Read it again. It doesn’t say “there is absolutely no photo/video to be taken at ANC”. If an acting President is there for a pre-planned ceremony and are expected to be there in an official capacity, the press is allowed in to take photo and video. Thems the facts. It’s at the discretion of cemetery officials to say who can and can’t take photo/video.
They told Trump or his people to GTFO, they assaulted the staff, then went and did it anyway. The family has no say in this.
So not only did he commit one crime, he committed MULTIPLE crimes.
Dafuq outta here with your attempts to justify this.
I’ve never been a big fan of the Appeal To Authority fallacy, personally. You shared the law, so I read it.
You’ve hallucinated most of my arguments, so I’ll ignore those points of yours.
Is there proof that the representative was correct?
This is a fair point though, I’ll concede on this one. The MSM is different than a private photographer, which the link you shared pointed out.
What you linked said that the families needed to request the photographer 72 hours in advance. I’d like to hear from them if they did this, and whether or not they got confirmation that the request was approved or denied.
Yes. There is proof. The Trump Campaign team themselves released footage of the altercation to DC and Federal Authorities, and then went on social media of all places to preemptively try to argue that person they assaulted was having a “mental health episode”. They were doing their job.
Yes, there is proof the representative was correct in turning them away. You quoted the fucking law.
Last point, the families never requested any permission to film, as the ANC representative already told them, they were not allowed to film or photograph there.
This is a non-discussion. Regardless of whether you, Trump, the families, or anyone else thinks so, there is a fucking codified law in place to prevent this shit, but they thought they could just do whatever they wanted. It was illegal, hands down.
Where can I find the video? I looked for it late last week but couldn’t find it.
Where’s the proof of the denial of the request? I haven’t heard anything about that being released.
Who stated this? The ANC, the families, or another entity?
I don’t think authorities make a habit of just releasing evidence to the public in that way. Again, you’re not super familiar with this.
The representative filed a complaint. The Trump campaign said publicly there was an altercation. They then had to turn over video evidence of this to authorities. That’s really the end of that question. It happened.
The families never requested any permission. The top two points I just made say that alone. The family doesn’t even have a right to request permission to SET ASIDE THE LAWS IN PLACE. Again, they have no say in this. Even if they requested “Hey, Trump wants to come and do this thing”, the response would have to be “Okay, but only in a private capacity, because no political campaigns are allowed to press here”.
Are you listening to yourself? If he just wanted to go out of the goodness of his heart, then fucking do that. That’s clearly not why he went though, or else there would have been no reason to turn them away. Walking up with a mob of campaign people and photo/video staff is clearly a fucking problem, so they were turned away, and instead of leaving, assaulted a military representative whose job it was to turn them away based on the law.
Get lost with this noise, for real.
This I know, I was wondering if the Trump campaign had posted the footage. They’d threatened to do so at one point IIRC.
Are you arguing that’s this is not what happened?
How many people were in this mob?
He laid a wreath. So the law wasn’t violated and the hatch act is a joke.
“Laws for thee, but NOT FOR ME!”
This is the type of POS you want running a country. Nice.
The Gold Star families asked him to lay a wreath, which he did. He did not violate any laws. The Hatch Act is for federal employees, which Trump is not. The only reason this made the news is an employee overstepped their authority and tried to block a Gold Star family from laying a wreath on their child’s grave. The person should be terminated.
The families have zero say in this. It is not a private cemetery. Read my other comment on this if you need to, but you and your buddy in this thread are so far off base. Go back to law school if you have a degree.
The families do have a say. It’s their child’s grave.
Photos are allowed as I have cited.
The hatch act is for federal employees which weren’t involved.
If it’s a crime then Biden has committed the exact same crime.
They have zero say. It’s federal land, and a cemetery at that. They can’t bend or change the laws any more than you can declare an FBI office your new house “becuz I PaY year taXes”
No law was broken. As such no law has to be changed.
He laid a wreath. Took a picture with the family. That’s all legal.
If it was a crime, where is the arrest? Exactly. It’s people turning something non-political into something political.
Nope, it wasn’t. They were turned away, assaulted a representative, and did it anyway thinking they could get away it.
The cemetery rep said they couldn’t be there, the law very much says they can’t be there, and then they committed extra crimes on top of that.
How are you thinking no laws were broken?