It doesn’t fucking matter what these families want, BECAUSE IT IS ILLEGAL.
These families could want a bank robbed, or someone killed, and be totally okay if Trump did it for them, BUT ITS STILL ILLEGAL. AGAINST THE LAW.
Hope they charge him for this because it’s absolutely despicable.
Can you cite the section of law that makes it illegal ?
(8) Filming or photographing will not be permitted if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization. Additionally, ANC will not authorize any filming for partisan, political or fundraising purposes, in accordance with the Hatch Act, 32 CFR 553, and AR 360-1
This policy supersedes the Media Policy for Arlington National Cemetery (ANC) and the Soldiers’ and Airmen’s Home National Cemetery (SAHNC)
The ANC is irrelevant in this case.
Filming or photographing will not be permitted if it conveys the impression that cemetery officials or any visitor or family member is endorsing any product, service or organization.
Firstly, it doesn’t seem that Trump violated what you cited, since he took no pictures, nor is there proof that he ordered anyone else to take any pictures. Secondly, it’d take a narrow interpretation of the pictures to presume that they’re meant to endorse Trump himself, any more than images of Joe Biden earlier this year were meant to endorse Joe Biden’s campaign (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/Photos/President-Joe-Biden-visits-Arlington-for-Memorial-Day/14636/). Families like having pictures of an authority figure paying respects to their fallen loved ones. They reached out to Biden and Kamala Harris first, after all, which doesn’t seem to me like they were aiming to exactly join Trump’s campaign.
Sure…I bet you’re well versed in the legal universe…somehow. Riiiiigght.
So if you want to really break it down, then your defense here is that Trump is just ignorant to the law…okay, sure. You’d also be making the case that if he didn’t directly do anything actionable against the law, then he can’t be doing anything illegal. THEN you’re going down the rabbit hole of “Oh, they just told me to stand here and do this and that, I had no idea.” So that’s where you’re leaving that.
EXCEPT, you’re ignoring the fact they were TOLD BY A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ANC THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED IN. Then they started a physical altercation and assaulted that person. He was informed they were not allowed on the premises. There is no ignorance to what was what happening at that point. If you’re backup is that his campaign managers didn’t tell him, then you’re also wrong, because they are expected to be acting on Trump’s behalf in representing the campaign, which the law specifically covers as well.
You have no argument here.
Then your trying to something about Biden or whomever else also having pictures there… that’s not the law. Read it again. It doesn’t say “there is absolutely no photo/video to be taken at ANC”. If an acting President is there for a pre-planned ceremony and are expected to be there in an official capacity, the press is allowed in to take photo and video. Thems the facts. It’s at the discretion of cemetery officials to say who can and can’t take photo/video.
They told Trump or his people to GTFO, they assaulted the staff, then went and did it anyway. The family has no say in this.
So not only did he commit one crime, he committed MULTIPLE crimes.
Dafuq outta here with your attempts to justify this.
I’ve never been a big fan of the Appeal To Authority fallacy, personally. You shared the law, so I read it.
You’ve hallucinated most of my arguments, so I’ll ignore those points of yours.
they were TOLD BY A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ANC THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED IN.
Is there proof that the representative was correct?
Then your trying to something about Biden or whomever else also having pictures there… that’s not the law. Read it again. It doesn’t say “there is absolutely no photo/video to be taken at ANC”. If an acting President is there for a pre-planned ceremony and are expected to be there in an official capacity, the press is allowed in to take photo and video.
This is a fair point though, I’ll concede on this one. The MSM is different than a private photographer, which the link you shared pointed out.
The family has no say in this.
What you linked said that the families needed to request the photographer 72 hours in advance. I’d like to hear from them if they did this, and whether or not they got confirmation that the request was approved or denied.
Yes. There is proof. The Trump Campaign team themselves released footage of the altercation to DC and Federal Authorities, and then went on social media of all places to preemptively try to argue that person they assaulted was having a “mental health episode”. They were doing their job.
Yes, there is proof the representative was correct in turning them away. You quoted the fucking law.
Last point, the families never requested any permission to film, as the ANC representative already told them, they were not allowed to film or photograph there.
This is a non-discussion. Regardless of whether you, Trump, the families, or anyone else thinks so, there is a fucking codified law in place to prevent this shit, but they thought they could just do whatever they wanted. It was illegal, hands down.
Yes. There is proof. The Trump Campaign team themselves released footage of the altercation to DC and Federal Authorities
Where can I find the video? I looked for it late last week but couldn’t find it.
Yes, there is proof the representative was correct in turning them away.
Where’s the proof of the denial of the request? I haven’t heard anything about that being released.
Last point, the families never requested any permission to film
Who stated this? The ANC, the families, or another entity?
He laid a wreath. So the law wasn’t violated and the hatch act is a joke.
“Laws for thee, but NOT FOR ME!”
This is the type of POS you want running a country. Nice.
The Gold Star families asked him to lay a wreath, which he did. He did not violate any laws. The Hatch Act is for federal employees, which Trump is not. The only reason this made the news is an employee overstepped their authority and tried to block a Gold Star family from laying a wreath on their child’s grave. The person should be terminated.
The families have zero say in this. It is not a private cemetery. Read my other comment on this if you need to, but you and your buddy in this thread are so far off base. Go back to law school if you have a degree.
The families do have a say. It’s their child’s grave.
Photos are allowed as I have cited.
The hatch act is for federal employees which weren’t involved.
If it’s a crime then Biden has committed the exact same crime.
So what? I could say “I wanted Trump to violate campaign finance law with my donation” but that doesn’t make it legal or proper. Also they did show and even make a TikTok video with a grave of someone whose family did not want it to be used in this way. It’s about as cheap as the incredible show of corruption of the Goya thing.
Them wanting him there doesn’t make it (photography) not illegal.
Of course not. 👍🏾 We agree.
Note the section of the law violated.
They rebuked Trump? No way!!
Well I wonder how many servicemen think “It doesn’t matter, I don’t care,” vs. those who feel such actions are a sharp reminder that some people have a deep disregard for the traditions and institutions that shaped our nation, and dont care at all for the lives lost in defence of our republic.
If someone reportedly said those who lost their lives in war were “suckers” and “losers” we might wonder if those words were actually spoken or not. Supposedly said to a widow, “he knew what he signed up for”. Now when that same person and his team show an absolute lack of respect for the solemnity and sanctity of our national military cemetery, the picture becomes more clear.
Is this what conservatives are voting for?
Well I wonder how many servicemen think “It doesn’t matter, I don’t care,” vs. those who feel such actions are a sharp reminder that some people have a deep disregard for the traditions and institutions that shaped our nation, and dont care at all for the lives lost in defence of our republic.
This is a fair question, not that servicemen approving of Trump’s appearance would make what allegedly happened okay.
Now when that same person and his team show an absolute lack of respect for the solemnity and sanctity of our national military cemetery
That’s is just barely close to what actually happened.
That’s is just barely close to what actually happened.
Well that’s is my interpretation of what I heard happened. If you were there I’d be glad to hear what you saw.
If we’re assuming that all allegations are true, Trump didn’t do anything. A member of his team did “show an absolute lack of respect for the solemnity and sanctity of our national military cemetery” to put it in your words, but there’s no claim that Trump participated in such actions nor that he directed or encouraged them. Unless I’m wrong, and there are articles saying Trump said “keep pushing that federal government employee homie” and I just missed those.
I guess I can’t argue with that. I thought he was a “strong leader” but it turns out he’s not in charge of anything? Ok.
