“Okay, so both parties are bad, but what else can we do other than vote?”

There are going to be a lot of disenfranchised liberals that have lost faith in electoralism. Rather than allow the people to fall into doomerism or denial, what advice would you give people who are realising that western democracies are broken and that voting for the lesser evil is impossible? What action would you tell them to take?

  • Wertheimer [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    26·
    22 days ago

    General strike 2028!

    And remind everyone how essential “essential workers” are, and how so many weak links in the supply chain can be snapped through strikes and direct action. Yes, we’ve seen how weak U.S. unions are, especially when it comes to showing any goddamned solidarity, but it’s still where we have to start.

    • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      10·
      22 days ago

      probably the only way to change things. Voting R or D, or 3rd party, or not voting isn’t revolutionary in the current system. Vote for the tangible benefits that are realistic in this system and then organize outside of electoralism.

    • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      3·
      22 days ago

      If you announce it ahead of time, the system can react to it. You have to hit them when and where they don"t expect it. There isn’t going to be a mass “general strike” that is planned. It has to be reactionary and organic. Then do it over and over and over with each outrage. That is how solidarity is built. I thought they’d do with with the rail strike but major union leadership in this country is cucked AF to the political system and DaBiden defanged it all.

      Cordnation and solidarity building yes. But doing known things announced years ahead will be met with a brick wall that the system can anticipate and deflect.

      It must be done in reaction to the inevitable injustices in solidarity. You don’t announce to the owners - hey we’re going to do some disruption thing X years from now at this exact place and time. Just as a massive heads up. That’s what is called giving away your leverage and game. It is not how wars are fought.

      Edit of course it’s the fucking UAW. They are the ones who sicked the secret service on me for daring to hold a NO TPP sign up during Obama’s speech at the 2016 convention. They are a bunch of bootlickers . Now you got fain-wut kissing a genocider’s butt walking around and endorsing jokermala

      • Wertheimer [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        2·
        22 days ago

        I’m not saying this general strike will lead to revolution. I’m saying this is something to direct people toward other than voting, and in this case the planned announcement is necessarily baked in - this is a call for unions to coordinate the timing of their contract negotiations. Is there a way to do that without “doing known things announced years ahead”? Obviously the ruling class will fight back. I expect that everyone involved in this knows that as well as we do.

        Besides, planning for something like this will necessitate the expansion of strike funds, bail funds, support for new unions, and so on. Preparing for something like this will build an infrastructure that the unions do not currently have or provide. It will make actual spontaneous action more possible, and the fight to do it will make people more class conscious. Even minor victories will be helpful in that regard.