Every two days a new thread with hundreds of comments of a bunch of liberals doing the same fucking talking points about the election. It doesn’t even fucking matter but so many people are just so enthusiastic to be hand-wringing or smug or whatever their preferred flavor of insufferable is, presumably mostly because they’ve been acculturated by liberal media to the idea that Trump is the apocalypse despite the fact that we already saw how Trump bumbles his way through a term!

It’s just so bad, you can’t talk about it anywhere there without someone leaping down your throat to say the same shit you’ve heard before.

  • iie [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    461·
    2 months ago

    Trump is the apocalypse, and the solution is to vote for the party that says he’s the apocalypse while doing nothing about him

  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.mlEnglish
    42·
    2 months ago

    Yeah I’m only on .ml so I can argue with libs.

    I just hope that after the elections the libs will become less inflamed and settle down. (I doubt it but I can hope!)

  • Vernon_Tennessee [null/void, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    30·
    2 months ago

    Tbh ive spent a lot of time in more nonpolitical spaces online. The energy to engage in politics in any online place is just more than its worth outside of leftwing spaces.

    Like tbh this is the first time in my life where Id say public discourse in gaming and sports is far more productive, positive and less personal than politics. We know where everyone stands at this point and if you still support genocide then thays a scar on your soul that you’ll have to reckon with.

  • hotspur@lemmy.mlEnglish
    9·
    2 months ago

    What is so amusing is that I just saw a .world post where they were complaining that .ml is too hardcore left and they were getting banned for their liberal opinions. One poster actually said they prefer hexbear users because despite being obnoxious they’re more civil and honest. That was quickly followed by a reply about how all the hexbears had alts on .ml that they did their real dirty work on so as to protect the mothership from defederation. I honestly have no idea what they’re talking about though, I’ve seen so many bland lib posts about how we all must hold our noses and enjoy the genocide on .ml comms lately, I just assumed it was a mostly lib instance or something (I assume the .ml is for Marxist Leninist though?

    Edit: saw below the .ml is Mali country code, not Marxist then. Also I’m a hexbear who has a .ml alt like they say, but I never do real posting anyway, and if I was to start, I would for sure use my hexbear because how else would I get credit on the internal shitposting leaderboard?

    • Kumikommunism [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      501·
      2 months ago

      our democratically elected government

      The US is a democracy in the same way as when only land-owning, white men could vote, or as Israel is now.

      I’m sure the people who it benefits love to call it “democracy”.

        • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          41·
          2 months ago

          You should have learned by now that representative democracy is not a meaningful practice, given its track record of almost no successes.

          Also, you literally do coups - including against democratically elected governments - all the time, and don’t have an issue with that.

        • iie [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          38·
          2 months ago

          I would ask you, “when was the last time you voted for a policy and got it?” which would be “never” for me, but I don’t know your politics, so I’ll just point out that 70% of Americans want single-payer healthcare but most politicians side with the insurance companies for some mysterious reason, and there’s nothing we can do about it as an electorate because our only option is to vote “lesser evil” every few years or boycott the elections and watch other people vote lesser evil.

        • Kumikommunism [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          38·
          2 months ago

          The implication behind “democracy” is an equal vote democracy, which the US is objectively not. Which was the whole point of my comment. You can call us a democracy in the same way a slave state is a democracy if you’re white. Our representative elections are not democratic, and individual wealthy people have an outsized vote over millions of people.

          You didn’t understand what I was saying, are too much of a moron to understand that, and think that it’s me who isn’t smart enough.

    • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      49·
      2 months ago

      really awesome system you got there where you spin a roulette wheel to determine the make-up of the 9 god kings who decree all laws and are appointed for life, and it’s entirely random who gets appointed based on when they die

      definitely not an inherent issue with your entire system, just a single bad election to that fascist Drumpf ruined everything

    • EllenKelly [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      481·
      2 months ago

      Marx grasped this essence of capitalist democracy splendidly when, in analyzing the experience of the Commune, he said that the oppressed are allowed once every few years to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class shall represent and repress them in parliament!

      […]

      Democracy for an insignificant minority, democracy for the rich — that is the democracy of capitalist society.

      https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm

      you’re embarrassing yourself

        • SexUnderSocialism [she/her]@hexbear.netMEnglish
          43·
          2 months ago

          Everyone is biased, dipshit. Including you and the sources you get your news from. Not understanding something as fundamental as this makes your smugness even more embarrassing than it already is. Keep it up.

        • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
          37·
          2 months ago

          Tagline material.

          Marxists.org is a collection of works on political theory. They aren’t really biased beyond wanting to preserve the works and provide easy access to them.

          The link is to something written by Lenin in 1917, referencing something Marx wrote earlier. I suppose you could say that Lenin and Marx were biased in the sense that they had strong views but that isn’t a valid reason to dismiss everything they ever said, and that ignorant perspective is just going to get you laughed at here.

            • REgon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              27·
              2 months ago

              peltier-laugh

              Yeah I’m certain David Van Zandts personal vibes-based website is completely unbiased.

              Edit: sorry comrade, didn’t realise you weren’t the same doofus as the other guy

            • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              20·
              2 months ago

              Ah yes, the notoriously not-biased fact checkers. /s

              EDIT: HAHAHAHA. They have this rating for some countries, and you want to claim that they are not biased? HAHAHAHA

              MBFC’s Country Freedom Rank: TOTAL OPPRESSION

              EDIT 2: HAHAHA. Their rating for Pissrael is ‘MODERATE FREEDOM’.

              You were joking when you said that they aren’t biased, weren’t you?

            • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
              12·
              2 months ago

              You are an ignorant clown if you think there’s no bias there. Just because you like the bias doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

              Decades of media pretensions of “objectivity” while still deciding what is and isn’t to be reported any given day have made credulous idiots like you very, very smugly complacent.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          35·
          2 months ago

          Pointing to an obviously biased website is crazy

          Ableist concern trolling shit aside, what is your “nonbiased” source, asshole?

        • REgon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          31·
          2 months ago

          They’re quoting Marx which is being hosted on marxists.org, you brick.

          Also everyone is biased, objective reporting is literally impossible. Learn how to do source critique and text analysis instead of just gargling the same thought-killing propaganda you’ve been regurgitating your whole life

        • Z_Poster365 [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
          31·
          2 months ago

          marxists.org is an archive of hundreds of thousands of texts by influential sociologists, historians, political economists and political theorists. It’s not our “facts” it’s an argument in the form of a written text. Perhaps you should sit down and take the time to read sometimes and maybe learn something.

        • EllenKelly [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          19·
          2 months ago

          Want to come over, I’ll read it to you directly from a book?

          space cadet

          noun

          1. One who shows difficulty in grasping or responding appropriately to serious or necessary concerns; a spacy person.

          good bit tbh, sorry anyone wasted their time responding to you

        • D61 [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
          15·
          2 months ago

          Tell me you’re an “enlightened centrist” without telling me you’re an enlightened centrist… bateman-business-card

    • UlyssesT [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      44·
      2 months ago

      If we are splitting hairs than it’s a representative democracy, sorry I had to spell it out for you, but you should have learned this in 3rd grade

      jagoff smuglord

    • Justice@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
      39·
      2 months ago

      “Changed the direction of the country”

      Gonna need a fat source on that one because for everyone who actually cracks a history book, or fuck it, skims Wikipedia even… it’s pretty clear that the US has always been a reactionary fascistic hellscape with only small moments of a glint of possible redemption immediately snuffed out as it lurches back into reactionary sentiments.

      Examples being post-Civil War reconstruction being stalled out, the constitution not being scrapped in whole in favor of a new one, etc. Or post-FDR when the more left-leaning liberal policies were working quite well, Truman gets in and immediately wants to go genocide Korea to prove he isn’t a dirty commie… or whatever bullshit.

      So, again, gonna need some sort of actually coherent explanation for how Trump is the aberration as opposed to Justice Warren and Justice Thurgood Marshall being the aberrations. The oddballs, historically, who actually managed to implement the will of the people (to a small, limited degree of course) via SCOTUS… only to spark like 70 years of asshurt from reactionaries who came up with a plan of action and executed it. Trump was just the final domino in that specific plan. It was always going to succeed eventually regardless of which republican held office because the liberals never bothered to actually substantially pushback on the reactionaries. Almost like they either agree or don’t actually care and just cynically pretend to care.

        • Tomorrow_Farewell [any, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          39·
          2 months ago

          You need a ‘fat source’ for stuff like the invasions of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Vietnam, Iraq, etc., the coups in Brazil, Chile, Ukraine, etc., settler-colonialism in the Americas, in Palestine, slavery and segregation in the US itself, neocolonialism happening/being a thing and not just being a figment of everybody’s imagination?

          I mean, if you want me to, I can provide sources for those things happening, but I think that it’s pretty obvious that those things did/do happen/are happening.

    • REgon [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      36·
      2 months ago

      Democratically elected

      Trump lost the popular vote, but still got in. Bush with the Florida thing.
      Gerrymandering.
      The immense amount of ratfucking you’ve seen during primaries.
      The incredibly low voter participation.
      The fact that the government does not care what you think.
      And we’re not even getting into the suppression that is done.

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]@hexbear.netOPEnglish
      34·
      2 months ago

      Thank you for demonstrating my point. Please pick another thread to go cry about the Capitol riot in, it’s not like there’s a lack of liberal and more-highly-federated (and thereby more liberal) instances to do that in.