I escaped the Reddit regime a little while ago. I consider myself a marxist-leninist-MZT. Vegetarian and vegan for a few years. I’ve a lot of thoughts on how marxism and veganism are connected. Never wrote them down. I’d like to start smth like a club for marxist vegans to develop our own proletarian theory. Most vegan theory I found is either openly bourgeois (Francione is a literal TERF) or revisionist (anti-China, anarchist, libertarian). How about fixing this?
I mean, we’re apes, so we’re definitely natural omnivores without a doubt, I guess that explains it.
Omnivore means you can eat meat, it does not mean you need to eat meat.
Well guess what I prefer it and dislike most plant based stuff except few fruits and vegetables.
this is genuinely what toddlers sound like. “i don’t like broccoli, i want chicken nuggets!”
Yeah I hate broccoli, but this’ll shock you, I never eat chicken nuggets either, I love it classically cooked/roasted, particularly wings and legs. But just because I love potatoes, watermelon, oranges, grapes and peach doesn’t mean that I love every single plant and that my diet has to consist exclusively on it.
It could go the other way: ‘‘I want to eat only plants and force it upon others just because I dislike meat and can’t comprehend the fact that human beings are omnivorous and ate meat since we came to existence’’.
I’d recommend you to explain this stuff to a Polar or Grizzly Bear… Actually don’t, bad idea, try it with Raccoons and Crows instead for starters and see how it goes.
no one lacks comprehension of the fact that humans have historically eaten meat. we’re just making the (obvious, factual) claim that you don’t require it to survive in any capacity. your body won’t shut down without it. i’m not particularly interested in how you like your corpses cooked, at this point i’m alternately making fun of your childlike palate and making it clear that your claim that humans “need” to eat dead animals is goofy as fuck and you should be embarrassed about saying something so ignorant.
You don’t, but it’s not healthy(I’m talking about not eating even fish or milk) and humans ALWAYS historically had balanced diet of both since you simply can’t get something which is exclusive to meat from a plant, includes vitamins, calcium etc. You should be embarrassed just like the others like you who force this shit onto people and act like you have some high ground, it’s a choice, plain and simple. There’s a lot of things to be angry about in the world and natural eating diets, omnivores and carnivores aren’t one of them.
And don’t eat Venus Flytrap by any chance, it’s carnivorous.
You should stop embarrassing yourself as you have clearly no idea about what you’re talking about.
It is healthy and sustainable. There is multiple meta-studies confirming it and many gouvernemental associations of dietetics and nutritions say so, here is one such example.
You are the one forcing your “lifestyle” on sentient beings just because you enjoy it. Stop for 2 minutes and think what your behavior actually entails and what this means for your moral system.
Its clear you have no idea about what you’re talking about when you say that calcium is something you can only find in sufficient quantities in animal products. Stop typing like a toddler and go educate yourself.
Or do you seriously hold the position that milk from another mammal is necessary to the survival of humans despite the vast majority of them being intolerant to it ?
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10027313/
I never saw anyone forcing diets onto people more than vegans, not even ultra religious people who feast(because even Jesus said to them that humans can eat everything), I knew few vegetarians who never even mentioned this stuff on regular basis to people, because that wasn’t their entire personality and I respect it. But vegans specifically do, stealing people’s chickens, letting them in wild(which results in them getting eaten by fox immediately), vandalizing, lecturing people, moralizing, annoying people en masse, barging into farms on villages and destroying people’s jobs which is how they make a living etc, no one does this shit.
No one is forcing you to eat meat, or fish, or eggs, or even milk for that matter, you’re the ones who force this shit and sound EXACTLY like this guy:
I never thought that there would be a situation where I would get vegan lecturing on Lemmy of all places.
I do, I understand basic biology and the fact that humans are OMNIVORES, and milk is healthy, what even is the problem with fucking MILK? You don’t even have to kill and cook anything to get it. You’re not going to change the food chain and diet of an entire species lasting tens of thousands to millions of years by doing this.
If you ever come or pass in Balkans, I’m legitimately asking you to try this here.
o…kay? but that still doesn’t make it a requirement for you or anyone else. it’s just something you like. you can live without it just like every vegan does.
i’m not forcing you at gunpoint obviously, just pointing out that your reasoning is completely silly
It’s not that, it’s natural for humans, we’re omnivores by nature, being vegan is a choice yes.
yes, as is choosing to kill living beings in order to eat their flesh. you are making a willing choice to contribute to more suffering in the world.
Plants are also living beings, your point is…
What did your ancestors do? Did they eat grass all the time or did they hunt Mammoths and Deer? I never: poached, killed endangered species, tortured innocent animals, wasted food, encourage slaughterhouses or hunt species on the brink of extinction. So no.
You wouldn’t mentally survive 2 days in the Balkans I swear to Christ.
i’m a white person in the united states, so my ancestors probably did a lot of genocide mostly. i don’t think i’m going to look to their example for anything.
you’re the one who’s afraid of vegetables lol, i don’t think you have any ground to stand on talking about what other people would and wouldn’t survive
That too, so think about it before you judge other places, but I meant ancestors as in caveman since humans first came to be.
There are many proteins and calories in meat and fish which you simply won’t get from plants only, human beings are naturally omnivores, it’s not good to eat way too much of either, the best is a balanced diet, especially in case of weight problems or so. You can choose to eat only plants but that’s not my problem. The problem is that this is my first time encountering a salty vegan who wants to force this shit to others if we ignore that one time when some mf tried to kidnap a chicken from store which I heard of… I ate fruits and some vegetables (potato) but I eat and prefer other stuff a lot more.
As I said, you wouldn’t last 2 days in Balkans.
Actually, we might be opportunistic omnivores. Animals that we might otherwise think of as herbivores, like deer and rabbits, will occasionally eat meat when they crave it and when a scavenging opportunity presents itself.
Yeah even some herbivores take some meat from time to time, even Elephants did it.