• bdonvrA
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    She’s proud of this btw

    Fashy needs a bashy

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      I made the mistake of scrolling through her posts. It’s, 5 in the morning and already I’m done with humans. What is even happening??

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    Ah, Julius Streicher. I barely had heard of him when I read about the Nuremberg trials. Dude was a propagandist. And they hanged him. He was literally edgelording until his last breath.

    At first I was like “well, the other guys they hanged literally oversaw genocide, but this guy was a propagandist. Kinda harsh punishment for a propagandist. Wonder why?”

    But now that I’ve watched the online hate pipeline run it’s course for a while and do its thing, I kinda get it.

    I’m advocating harsh bans for the birdsite royalty, and if they don’t volunteer for that, maybe they should be put somewhere where they can be monitored to not propagandise. Not advocating for death penalty, it’s categorically wrong.

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      I’m fully against the death penalty but I fully support it in extreme cases like the Neurenberg trials because of the extreme death and suffering caused by these shit stains.

      Similarly, I’m very close to supporting it for a good part of the US government when things eventually come crashing down. Cheetos alone is already responsible for a good million deaths with his covid fuckups, anyone that has that responsibility on their necks deserve no less

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        My own objections is that, according to the proponents of death penalty, it will discourage people from doing these crimes ever again. …Hello? Ever looked at the history books? Actually, hey, look at them, the American right wing media is going full steam ahead on destructive propaganda!

        There will always be people who will take bullet for the cause. And if the cause is about spreading a message, well…

        No. They will do this no matter what the punishment is. And at that point, the only thing anyone can do is to use their own system of ethics. Mine says harshest possible judgement that can actually work and stop them from doing this stuff, without making them martyrs to the cause. At some point, people have to take the moral high road.

        All I can say is that killing people to fight crime has never been as fruitful as fighting the mythical hydra. You can’t fix this stuff with just slashing at stuff.

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      Dude was a propagandist. And they hanged him.

      If we in the US ever get out of this mess I’d love to see that happen to all Fox News execs and on-air personalities.

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      Not advocating for death penalty, it’s categorically wrong.

      It’s not. The death penalty is suitable for things like genocide… Or even being a propagandist for crimes against humanity.

      For example, the world would positively be a better place, if Elon Musk was executed for his aiding of crimes against humanity.

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        Life imprisonment I have always felt is the crueler of the punishments. A stretched out monotony that makes a day last the rest of a lifetime that warps and mushes the brain.

        But also I do still get making a statement out of the death penalty for direct statements of what a society will not accept.

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          It’s not about cruelty. Its about keeping others safe from a very evil (Objectively) person. It’s not about statements, either. It’s about halting the spread of fascism.

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            If you imprison someone for life, you’re still keeping others safe though? And killing someone who puts out fake news doesn’t necessarily stop those news from spreading, worst case, you have a martyr.

            I’m from Germany and the death penalty has been forbidden since the 50s, for context.

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              If you imprison someone for life, you’re still keeping others safe though?

              No, containment doesn’t work to stop fascism. As long as the person can talk, they can spread it.

              And killing someone who puts out fake news doesn’t necessarily stop those news from spreading, worst case, you have a martyr.

              Yes, it does work. We already found deplatforming fascist works, we just stopped doing it. That would just be “deplatforming them from earth”.

              As far as martyrs go? Well, that makes it easier to identify the next round of fascists that need to be eliminated.

              We learned that lesson in the 1940’s.

              I’m from Germany and the death penalty has been forbidden since the 50s, for context.

              And that’s likely one reason why the AfD is gaining power there.

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                Dude, your theory is that the current rise of right wing populism in Germany is because we weren’t killing enough people? Fr, that’s your take?

                Who is in charge of doing the killing then? The death penalty isn’t french revolution style, you want right leaning states and judges around the globe to have the responsibility to decide who lives or dies? Thank you very much, I’ll pass.

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                  Dude, your theory is that the current rise of right wing populism in Germany is because we weren’t killing enough people? Fr, that’s your take?

                  Yes. The more fascist you allow to live, the worst the problem becomes. Come on, you’re from Germany… You should literally know this.

                  Who is in charge of doing the killing then?

                  We the people.

                  The death penalty isn’t french revolution style

                  Why can’t it be? It was like that with Sadaam…

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                As long as the person can talk, they can spread it.

                Nope, isolation is a thing and with that I don’t mean torture I mean a psychologist is going to talk to you about the sportsball results or whatever keeps you sane and that’s it. It’s why you hear practically nothing about Anders Breivik.

                What we should re-introduce for these cases is an updated version of damnatio memoriae

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                  Nope, isolation is a thing and with that I don’t mean torture I mean a psychologist is going to talk to you about the sportsball results or whatever keeps you sane and that’s it. It’s why you hear practically nothing about Anders Breivik.

                  And leave the possibility of the medical pros being radicalized, and converted?

                  No.

                  Kill them. a 7.62mm round is more than sufficient.

                  Are we literally forgetting the bloody lesson of the 1940s?

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                “deplatforming them from earth”

                Perhaps he could be deplatformed to Mars, I heard he wants to go there anyway.

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      I learned of him after I learned about the Rwandan genocide and so I never questioned it. The hatemonger is probably the most vital figure in creating a genocide

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    Grok is unexpectedly based. The Indian government has been trying to censor/ban Grok because it roasted a bunch of right wingers too, including the troll army of the ruling party, several ministers and even the Modi himself. Most people on Twitter aren’t as blunt because of the fear of doxxing, losing jobs, having your house razed, death threats, rape threats, defamation cases etc. and so self censorship prevails. But you can’t do all that to a bot. Grok even came in our news for this.

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      It’s as if both logically and statistically being a racist bigot is not good for anyone.

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        He is dumb, but its a bit deeper than that. They fetishize free speech and lack of censorship, but in practice they don’t actually want free speech and they love censorship.

        So when they create an LLM that’s predisposed with that fetishization, it comes out in the form of calling nazis like Elon for being nazis.

        They’re trying to have their cake and eat it too, but it’s blowing up in their face.

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      Maybe the ghost of Robert A. Heinlein is haunting it.

      (I will never not be angry that Musk stole the word from one of the classic sci-fi writer greats.)

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        I’m surprised it calls out people for being nazis then. And I’m pretty sure the name was appropriated from a book called stranger in a strange land.

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          Almost all names have been used before, no? I don’t understand what you mean with appropriated.

          Do names need to be unique or something?

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      An AI on Twitter. Surprisingly, not heavily biased towards right-wing rerthoric even though it even admits Musk tried to tweak it.

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        To be fair, the vast majority of people actually using AI bullshit align with the right, so these LLMs are going to inherit that bias.

        The fascists are definitely astroturfing them too, no doubt, but the userbase as a whole for this tech isn’t great, because right-wingers don’t care about the ethical issues with it.

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    Kinda Crazy reddit starts acting janky when this administration misbehaves.

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      Yep, I noticed that an article “Elon Musk pushed Reddit CEO to increase moderation” on the front page, and then reddit was bugging out like mad.

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      there is a link to the tweet in the description
      she posted a “w” gif after this response
      i thought it would be deleted, but i guess it’s full on mask off time already

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      It’s real as in everyone said this.

      Grok has no idea if it’s been modified or not unless it was trained on internal communications which would be a terrible idea