I’ll stick to FreeTaxUsa even if they charge me. Fuck Intuit.
Turbo tax made 1.6 BILLION in income. And that’s not enough. They need to lobby and change the landscape of the countries tax system to generate even more profit on top of the profit they already made.
This isn’t capitalism anymore this is something else entirely. It’s a metal disorder. A disease.
This isn’t capitalism anymore this is something else entirely.
That’s the thing, it is capitalism. It’s always been about those who have more exploiting those who have less.
The problem is this generation of workers has been duped into believing that corporate profits are a good thing, rather than an indication of workers getting taken advantage of.
It’s all bass-ackwards by design. I stopped trying to find rhyme or reason and just settled on “most people are dumb as shit.”
Capitalism demands that line must always go up.
Line goes up means businesses are taking advantage of customers.
Line goes down means customers are taking advantage of businesses.
Why are customers cheering when line goes up and angry when line goes down? Oh yeah, they’re useful idiots.
Well also, most people have been forced into a retirement system that makes line go up make everyday person happy. Cutting off the nose to something…
And this is just taxes. Capital also do this with our health, water, air, etc.
Funniest part is how they’re bribing the government with the money they took from customers. Now they can take more money from customers, which is more money for bribes.
It also means they didn’t need to charge customers the prices they charged, since they have enough money to operate their business and bribe politicians.
It’s like, you’re paying them to work against you.
So backwards, but that’s by design. Don’t be a useful idiot.
Land of the fee™
Home of the slave.
for some perspective:
canada’s federal tax website lists all of the free services that you can utilize, and they even include NetFile so you don’t have to upload or submit any of your docuements.
i hear we’re looking for new provinces…
I’d vote to join a Canadian union if it ever shows up on my state’s ballot. It never will but I would. The South is a disgusting backwater of “divine” hatred.
i don’t want to sound like an old fuddy, but you sound just like some of your great-great-granparents :P
My great great grandparents didn’t live in America. There’s also the difference that I’d want to leave to escape a culture of greed, fascism and hatred while the Southern states wanted to secede to continue owning other human beings as livestock.
I honest to God can’t imagine how fucking cheap the price for them to make it so that people have to use their paid services… which will make them many, many times more than their bribe ever was.
It would be like if you paid me 1 dollar and I did something that would make you 200 or 300 dollars…
If you know someone who works for one of these companies, you should ostracize them.
Stop giving free passes to people making our society worse.
I mean I feel like it depends on their role in the company. Not everyone has the luxury of choosing the work they do. I know at least a few people who work in billing for a healthcare company that don’t want to do that work and understand it’s bad but don’t really have another choice as they couldn’t get any other jobs. I’m not gonna blame someone for working at a bad company unless they’re like an executive or other high up person who could take their skills to a different industry.
Anyone who advocates for ostracizing fellow workers indiscriminately is doing it in order to keep the working class bogged down in endless internal feuds instead of organizing. Solidarity is the only solution.
Solidarity should also involve being united on what work is acceptable and what is not.
This doesn’t seem indiscriminate to me. I think we 100% should judge people who work for evil corporations, regardless of what their position is.
Wait, so I wasn’t supposed to punch that guy in the janitors uniform in the dick just because he said Intuit (turns out he was saying “into it”)?
Then they should do their job exactly as half-assedly as it’s possible to do without actually being fired. Steal coffee and creamer from the kitchen. Steal toilet paper. Accidentally deleted System32 on the office computer. Open all file attachments and links in emails. Crop-dust the bosses office. Start office rumours to sow discord and erode company loyalty. Slip and fall on a stair, go on extended paid medical leave. When fired, sue for wrongful termination, crowdfund the legal fees
That’s a fair strategy if you actually can organize with other people at your work to do things like that. But it still does rely on having enough stability to get fired and not end up homeless while getting a new job or trying to sue. Crowdfunding can work if you happen to get lucky and your story gets picked up by lots of people, but it can also reach no one and leave you with nothing. So at the end of the day it’s gonna come down to organizing, if only there was some kind of organized body of workers you could form to fight policies that are bad for people in general along with being bad for the workers.
That’s called bribery in my country. It’s disgusting and very prevalent here but at least we don’t embellish the idea with polite terminology 😂
There’s… there’s a tax on taxes??
They might call it something like a convenience fee.
wait you guys have to pay to file taxes???
do they actually want you to evade taxes??
The tax system is so complicated, most people can’t handle navigating it on their own. Most people have jobs where taxes are automatically removed from pay checks and sent to both state and federal tax agencies. However, that amount is just an estimate and once a year (or quarter) you need to file paperwork to confirm whether you over or underpaid and then you either get a rebate (without interest), or you’ll need to send in a payment to make up the difference. That paperwork has been lobbied to remain as complicated as possible so that companies like Intuit can provide services that tax payers find useful and continue to pay for. This is more complicated for business owners, both big and small.
Well, in my opinion this will be a good platform for American progressives to run on: make taxes less complicated by getting rid of middle men.
This will absolutely 10000% never happen as long as lobbying exists in my opinion.
There is nothing wrong with lobbying…. There are lobbies for woman’s rights, black rights, all sorts of good causes have lobbies.
The politicians just bend over for corporate lobbies. Very important distinction. I think what would fit your argument better is will never happen as long as citizens United exists.
Any paid lobbying is bribery. Legislators should raise people’s opinion who voted them in and act as representative, not say what others pay them to say.
I can’t believe it is legal in so many countries. Apparently though it seems more problematic in the US but European countries aren’t immune either.
I mean someone has to pay the lobbiests. The National Organization for women pays lawyers to write laws for them to present to congress, through lobbiests who are also paid. You want feminist groups who are allowed to write feminist laws and present them to congress right? You want someone to advocate for laws you want right? That’s lobbying?
Citizens united is what you guys are thinking of. The one where corporations can donate infinite money to politicians? So when a corporate lobby brings anti-feminist legislation, they then contribute lots of money to the politician they are lobbying. And magically the politican ignores their voters and sides with the anti-feminist pro corporate law. That’s citizens united. It’s not a problem with lobbying. You have a problem with corporate lobbys not womans rights lobbys right? You have a problem with your representatives favoring corporate lobbys because they get infinite money throught… DRUM ROLL… Citizens united.
I really hope this helps.
When we were legalizing cannabis in Maine the local growers had to form a lobby to fight against the out of state corporate growers who also had a powerful lobby. Banning lobbying doesn’t help it just takes away peoples voices. Lobbying is just a group of people pooling resources to enact common legislation or political goals. It’s an important part of the political process people neglect. and it’s been diluted by money. Don’t need to dilute it further with misinformation.
and it’s been diluted by money
That’s why they said “any paid lobbying is bribery”. While anyone can sign a petition to your representative and that’s technically also lobbying, what we’re talking about here is not that. In a democracy, every person gets their voice heard. With lobbying, only the dollar speaks.
There needs to be more citizen lobbying. What really needs to happen is citizens organizing, pooling their money, and hiring lobbyists, just like big corporations do.
A look at the Forbes Fortune500 should point out why that’s basically impossible.
Just looking at the top one, Walmart, not even considering anyone else on this list, their raw profit in 2024 after all expenses and payrolls and everything was
$15,511,000,000.00
Amazon in the #2 spot made almost double that. Remember this isn’t revenue, this is profit, this is extra money after all normal expenses are paid.
If I pulled together every single person I’ve ever met in my life, regardless of their opinion of me, and we all donated all the money we had ever made in our lives, we might approach a tenth of Walmart’s 2024 profits.
The wealth inequality gap in America is large enough that it is actually difficult to wrap your head around. The difference between a million dollars and a billion dollars is about a billion dollars - to be exact, you’ll need 999 million more dollars to reach it after you have your first million in the bank. Fighting corporate money with citizens’ money is not only wasteful but impossible.
Now much of that money do they spend on lobbyists?
You and I will never know, but it could be up to that amount without even impacting daily activities.
Working within a corrupt system often serves to more deeply entrench that system.
No. You can file your taxes for free. And, if you ever pay to file your taxes, you’re not paying the government, you’re paying for tax preparation software or for a tax professional to do your taxes for you.
But! Even if your tax situation is very simple, filing your taxes on your own is difficult. In Europe, the government sends you a form with what they think you owe based on all the information they have on you. If you agree with the calculation, you just send the form back and either pay or receive a refund.
In the US your employer gives you some sheets of paper with some values on it. Your bank gives you some different forms. And so-on. When it’s tax time, you gather up all that paper, hope you have it all, try to remember what forms you need and if you have them, and then painstakingly try to copy the right values from the W-2, 1099-INT, and so on into the right boxes on form 1040, 1040 Schedule 1, 1040 Schedule 2, 1040 Schedule H, 1095-A, and so on. Then, you try to do the calculations where it says to multiply the value from 1040 row 43 by the correct value in table A9. A9 has different values depending on how many dependants you have, and if you’re filing jointly or alone.
Basically, it’s doable on your own, especially if you have a fairly standard / simple tax situation. But, it’s easy to make a mistake along the way. If you ever need an explanation about what you’re supposed to do, that information exists, but it’s in accountanteze, and it often refers to about 5 other IRS publications that just complicate things further. And, when you’re dealing with thousands of dollars, a mistake could be really costly. So, most people buy a copy of TurboTax every year for $30, which somehow turns into $60 by the time you’re actually ready to file because the $30 version only covers people in situation X, and since you have Y you need to upgrade.
TurboTax then takes $1 out of the $60 you paid them, and goes to Washington with that to lobby politicians to keep the tax code complicated so that people need to buy a new TurboTax every year. (Oh yeah, and things change just enough that every year you need to buy the latest software to file your taxes.)
Australia prefills all the information from employers, banks, share market registers so most people can log onto the government website, go to their tax account and accept the prefilled form
Yeah, most places do. AFAIK it’s just Canada and the US that don’t.
Here in the UK I have never had to file taxes. It’s all done as PAYE. Whatever software your employer uses will work out how much you owe via your tax code each pay packet and it’s auto deducted. It’s only self employed people (maybe other types of earner, I wouldn’t know, I’m just a waged employee) who have to submit their tax forms. It’s weird other countries aren’t doing it this way.
In Europe, the government sends you a form with what they think you owe based on all the information they have on you. If you agree with the calculation, you just send the form back and either pay or receive a refund.
That’s not true everywhere in Europe
No? Where don’t they do that? Is what they have similar to the terrible US system?
Real talk: why do we have to ‘file taxes’ at all in 2025?
Don’t we have computers that should be automating taxes?
Because companies lobby Congress to prohibit major IRS restructuring and spending. If the IRS had auto filing and a bigger budget, it would make more money than ever before.
The IRS could go after and audit rich people while the common person just gets a check in the mall from their returns. Maybe even no check, as the returns are only from miscalculations by the federal system, which is due to a bad system in place.
We need a federal tax system in the US. No one likes paying taxes but we do. The IRS is the center of that for the Feds. And the Republicans gut it because it’s easy to say “I’ll lower your taxes” but not solve where the money comes from.
returns are only from miscalculations by the federal system,
Well, not really. More like incomplete calculations, erring on the side of overpayment because people are generally extra upset if they have to pay in at the end of the year, even if they technically made more money as a result. People are used to and kind of ignore the tax portion of the paycheck they never get, but they feel the taxation of actually making an active payment. So people get happy about the zero interest loan they give to the government because in the moment it feels like “free money”
My employer has to do withholding without knowledge of other potential household income, credits, or deductions, though that last is pretty much given for everyone given how high the standard deduction is now.
thats always my first thought when this subject comes up.
Pay to file and get charged if we don’t pay the amount that the IRS knows that we owe.
They literally know how much we owe but make us pay a private company to calculate that number and then charge us if that private company didn’t help us get the right number.
So the private company offers more “protection” and “tax experts” they charge us more for and make their “calculator” a little less helpful every year so you feel like you need the “tax expert” AI chat to help you avoid a charge.
Capitalism is the most efficient system. CAPITALISM IS THE MOST EFFICIENT SYSTEM.
It’s technically free to file federal and the tax prep companies must offer this by law. But there are tons of loopholes to this to the point that many people pay to file even when they don’t have to.
State taxes are always charged if they need to be filed. It’s free in some states but not a lot and there is no requirement on most states for how much the tax prep software charges for that.
I mean, yes, because if they catch you evading taxes then they get a free slave for the term of your incarceration. To them it’s a win-win.
oh shit yeah, theres that too.
beacon of democracy.
Oh good I’m not the only one who doesn’t understand.
No they just want us to do our part by both paying taxes to the government and paying corporations that pay the government. All makes sense in a tidy corporofascisit system.
Imagine having to pay to give the government money. I had to open this to confirm what I was reading.
Yeah I figured the Canadian system we have was as bad as the US’s but apparently not. Having to pay to file is wild
No, and no. It is typically more convenient to pay to file taxes though. These companies hand hold you through the process and often have some protection for you if you get audited.
That said, this still means the government needs to make things easier for everyone. You shouldn’t feel like you need help to just file a standard tax return if all you do is have a regular job, no investments, and no deductions. Which is something like half of the US.
Imagine paying to file taxes, lmao
your political system is already based on legalized bribery and this is where you draw the line? lmao. Lobbying has destroyed america for a century.
This is from 1889. Literally nothing has changed. Go back 1000 years and it’s the same fucking shit. Even 3000 years ago in Egypt. It’s always rich vs everybody else just in different outfits.
Karl Marx
The Civil War in France
Written: July 1870 - May 1871Nowhere do “politicians” form a more separate, powerful section of the nation than in North America. There, each of the two great parties which alternately succeed each other in power is itself in turn controlled by people who make a business of politics, who speculate on seats in the legislative assemblies of the Union as well as of the separate states, or who make a living by carrying on agitation for their party and on its victory are rewarded with positions.
Here we find here two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt means and for the most corrupt ends – and the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians, who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality exploit and plunder it.
I want another Teddy Roosevelt in office.
Fuck man even after trust busting, those companies were then and still are stupid big and powerful and maddeningly enriching to the 1%
At least we have shiny toys now built on the backs of global labor exploitation. That’s cool.
We really should be moving to direct voting.
Representative democracies are tool of the ruling class to subvert control from the working class.
The fact <0.00001% of the people you come across mention direct voting in a democracy should be an indicator at how successful the ruling class has been at controlling the narrative.
I’ve realized why this is the case.
Nations are modern-day fiefdoms. If you’re not a member of the ruling class, then you’re not supposed to have any say in how a nation is run. Modern politics is a song and dance around serving the ruling class as much as possible while convincing workers it’s in their best interests.
Class traitors need to be ostracized more often.
Legalized bribery is only bad when the other team is in office. When your team is bribed, it’s handy so they can run again in 4 years. Just don’t ask them to do any campaign promises that go against their donors.
What other team? A non shit country has like 10 parties that come and go regularly as time moves on.
It was founded on lies and lobbying. Remember “taxation without representation”? Americans were on a 90% tax discount compared to the British. America was founded off the back of the particularly idiotic, greedy and gullible, and they’ve continued on that path to present. And some fool gave them weapons.
Amen
Go to the HR office at your job and tell them you want to change your W-4. Change your status to exempt and withholding allowances to zero. Then just don’t file a tax return anymore. You get more money every month and Trump and his IRS can go fuck themselves.
Note: this plan may result in IRS mandated prison time from unpaid taxes
Unless you’re wealthy enough to afford a bevy of attorneys, they will still go after you.
Shit, they’ll probably start using AI to determine who the easiest targets are (spoiler: it’s always the working class).
Decreasing the exemptions increases the amount of taxes withheld… For most people your advice as written just means letting the govt keep your tax refund every year.
Put every manager of TurboTax in prison as a traitor.
Crowdfund the airfare to El Salvador?
Or just put a cap on donations and block corporate donations?
I think people have to understand that we’ve entered a different era. The rich have gotten richer and become insanely powerful and “the game” has gone on for so long all the rules have been slightly bend to allow them to become more rich and powerful. If you continue to “be sensible” and ask if you may nibble around the edges, all you get is fascism. It’s inevitable. So first you have to destroy them and their power, then you can reform the system. Reforming the system now, even if you could, won’t do anything.
that would have been reasonable 20 years ago.
Jfc
A million dollars is all it takes to buy whatever laws you want? That’s a really good deal for Intuit.
Remember all those (exactly) 1 million dollar “donations” all those CEOs were giving to Trump’s inaugural campaign? Those weren’t donations, they were bribes and kissing of the ring. Pledge loyalty (and pay a small fee) and the government will work for you.
Except if you’re Google or Facebook. Trump will accept your money and still fuck you over. Why anyone trusts him is beyond me.
They don’t trust him, but they don’t want to get on his bad side. They’re basically hoping that he’ll ignore them or forget about them, and focus his attention on his other enemies.
Worked out for Apple. Timmy Cook was able to get an exemption on the tariffs for cell phones.
There are a huge swath of self-serving, inwardly thinking, assholes that see themselves in Trump. That’s why they love him. With him leading they can be unabashedly racist and sexist… in other words they get to be themselves.
Politicians are cheap, I remember once seeing a list of how much a lobbyist buys support from politicians for and the list was like $5k $2k $3k $6k. It’s ridiculous
They’re cheap because they fully believe in ideologies that screw everybody else. They’re not doing it for the cash but for their god.
That’s affordable. Maybe I’ll buy one
Now you need to save it for your tax filing fees
It’s much more complicated than that though. The lobbying firms hire people who are former politicians or former senior staffers who have all kinds of contacts all over Washington. Getting those guys on the payroll is extremely expensive.
Then, those lobbyists generally don’t just go off and bribe someone. They build and strengthen relationships. They know all the pain points that the politicians have, and they just make things easier. If a politician’s staffer is having trouble finding a good place to live in DC, the lobbyist knows a guy who knows a guy who can get them a great apartment.
Eventually, the lobbyist isn’t this guy who tries to get the politician to change some laws. He’s basically part of the team. So, when new legislation comes up, the whole team works on it together, including the lobbyist.
The end result is that the $5k or whatever is only the direct contribution to the politician’s re-election campaign or something. Most of the spending is hiring the lobbyist and paying all his/her various expenses that make them indispensable for the politician, so that they can step in at the right time.
Politicians get their jobs through an eagerness to bootlick capital.
If only voters were smart enough to vote for better people.
That’s the number we get to see.
